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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg with gene and Chris

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welcome back to the power cats where we

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have an exciting show for you I think

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I'm starting to sound like Tim Cook at

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Apple you know we got some great stuff

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for you so stay with us

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for the next two or three hours and

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you'll have fun now in last week's

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episode we had Micah Hanks and Scotty

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Roberts of course they have that

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paradigm symposium coming in October in

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the Minneapolis st. Paul area but they

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mentioned of course the ancient

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astronauts guy erich von daniken or as

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it is properly pronounced erich von

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daniken that's what Bob sadati told us

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and Bob is always right so we'll go with

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that now it was mentioned that he had

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been arrested for fraud and served the

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jail sentence this is you know 50 years

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ago 40 years ago that kind of thing and

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I looked it up because I wanted to see

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just how severe this conviction was and

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this is the Wikipedia entry we know that

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Wikipedia is not always accurate but

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we'll go with it so von Daniken was

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arrested in November 1968 for fraud

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after falsifying hotel records and

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credit references in order to take out

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loans for $130,000 over a period of 12

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years now two years later he was

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convicted sentenced over three years in

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prison but only served a year okay fine

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now let's think about this for example

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he was fined three thousand francs for

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this offense now I don't know about the

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translation rate back in 1968 dollars

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but three thousand francs in 1968 was

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worth what about a hundred fifty or

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sounds like a slap on the wrist to me it

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sure was a hundred thirty thousand

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now let us now

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distant perspective the average family

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in the u.s. makes what fifty five

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thousand a year so in two thousand

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thirteen dollars if it was a hundred

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thirty thousand dollars it would take a

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family over two years to earn it except

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of course there has been inflation so

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when we factor in inflation here one

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hundred thirty thousand dollars in

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nineteen sixty eight dollars

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what is that in two thousand thirteen

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guys it's almost nine hundred thousand

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dollars oh okay nine hundred thousand

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dollars now that's pretty wacky in fact

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one of the dogs in the neighborhood just

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barked at that figure so I don't know

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about you but I think that's a pretty

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serious offense and he has to be really

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lucky except I guess white-collar crimes

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were not taken nearest seriously back in

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the sixties so he was very lucky I think

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if he stole nine hundred thousand

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dollars today and we assume you know

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he's an elderly man now but if he was

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twenty thirty years old and sold that

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amount of money he wouldn't just get a

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year in prison you know well how about

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Sean David Morton claiming to be psychic

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and doing stock psychic stock

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predictions and losing clients money to

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the tune of six million that's he still

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gets invited to conferences it's amazing

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to me yeah but it's even more

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interesting over the fact that he was

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sued he wasn't arrested and charged with

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a crime to me if you do that isn't it

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illegal yeah so why is he not in prison

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smoke a joint in some parts of the

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United States they could spend five

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years in jail for smoking a joint okay

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but a guy here who causes people to lose

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millions of dollars was going scot-free

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I see a disconnect know knew that he

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saved up a bunch of that money and

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that's now being earned by his lawyer

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well there is that but I'm not going to

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say anything about von Daniken except

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that his theory is nothing new he was

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the one with the best-selling book but

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Chariots of the Gods we already had what

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saucers of landed which of course was

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the George Adamski book so everybody was

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concerned about George Adamski meeting

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the Venusian in the desert or whatever

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about the guy who wrote about the

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ancient astronauts then of course we had

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people like you and a Fortner who nobody

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ever heard of Chris ever hear of Jana

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Fortner not until I met you and and you

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include me in know Jana Fortner was

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writing about that in the 50s for Jim

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Mosely saucer news okay Jana was a

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brilliant scholar but a pretty wacky guy

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a really wacky guy and sometimes he

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wondered if he was putting you on but he

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was fluent in a number of languages very

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smart on his feet and he was talking

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about the God of the Old Testament being

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et that's the basic theory so before von

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Daniken there were a number of people

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with the best-selling book is the one

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who's credited with the theory you don't

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think about the people who had gone

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before yeah hopefully my new book will

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be the go-to book on the subject I'm

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writing about and it will bring the

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whole question of who's perpetrating

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cattle mutilations back into focus and

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sort of burn off some of the pop-culture

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dross that's sort of going up around the

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subject well I think the unfortunate

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thing here is we have certain writers

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whom we could name certain lecturers who

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want us to believe that each he is

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coming down here and carving up cattle

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and the question I'd ask is why why

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would they do that you think after you

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take three or four DNA samples what's

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the rest all about right and why why not

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sample you know get your sampling

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materials out of a rendering plant or a

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slaughterhouse or something it's it's

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location that's being sampled as well as

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the animal so that that's something that

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the the Flying Saucer Theory just

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doesn't quite quite embrace that line of

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thinking doesn't really factor it in

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well of course you're making me real

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curious now

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why would they sample the location give

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us a hint here because this book is

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going to be the definitive work on

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cattle mutilations so why is the

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location significant well that's just it

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back I mean way back in 79 David Perkins

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tended to be downwind and downstream of

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nuclear test sites uranium mines power

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nuclear power plants where we enrich and

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weaponize uranium so we may be dealing

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monitoring process that's actually

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hold the most recent vestiges of the

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environment in their cells

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you know sampling those organs alright

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well we're gonna look forward to that

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book gonna line up we're going to maybe

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see if we can get you doing some book

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signings or something this sounds like

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it's gonna be fascinating title you know

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this is the kind of book that should be

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the bestseller that a Chariots of the

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Gods was because we have something now

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it's up front and personal a real event

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that's happening now not 2000 years ago

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and we'd like to know more about it but

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what we'd like to know more about of

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course is what is happening to the

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mutual UFO network MUFON MUFON has had

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some musical chairs in terms of

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international directors you know they've

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and we have on the show he explained

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what happened we had Clifford Clift we

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had David MacDonald who never came on

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the show and we have of Jann is that

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horizon-- Chris yeah okay

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we have Jann horizon-- who just taken

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the role of international director of

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MUFON and he is going to be on the show

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today Chris tell us a bit more well Jan

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has been a longtime

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State Director and also the head of

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it's got to have been 1718 years ago a

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really sweet guy super knowledgeable

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crack businessman he worked for IBM as a

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a senior project manager for 30 plus

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years pretty much knows everybody in the

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and is it's very shrewd and I think a

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perfect choice for MUFON I'm really

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with the organization and we've got a

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lot of questions for him today on the

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pair of cast and we're definitely not

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going to hold back real hard questions

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of Jan Harrison the new international

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hi this is Ted Anderson have you ever

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wondered why banks stock brokers

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investment advisors won't talk about

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gold IRAs wait a sec gold and silver is

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going up while Congress is trying to

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settle on the next debt increase and

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there's no end of this madness that old

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401 K and IRA can be converted into

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physical gold without tax consequences I

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explained this in my book ten reasons to

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buy gold

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Dola time slip away call for your free

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copy today eight hundred six eight six

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twenty to thirty seven get away from

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that Washington spin and get honest

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answers about gold eight hundred six

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eight six twenty to thirty seven the

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book is free eight hundred six eight six

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twenty to thirty seven for over five

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Berkey guy so you may know a few things

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about him for example you are well aware

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para cast calm we're joined by Jan

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horizon-- the new director of the mutual

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UFO network or a MUFON but before we

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talk about what the organization has

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done and is doing let's learn about

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chance again

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welcome to the para cast well thank you

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it's great to be here I think our

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listeners well y know about your

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background how you got started in this

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what made you interested in the subject

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of UFOs well I say we started when I was

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a young kid growing up my father used to

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subscribe to true and Argosy which were

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men's magazines of the day I and I sort

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of remember that that ages me it was

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attack in the late fifties early sixties

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and there are articles in there by major

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keyhole from night cap and different

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folks talking about UFOs and of course

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the newspapers always had sighting

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reports in them in those days I mean

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that was kind of front-page news if

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there was something significant that

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happened particularly the swamp gas in

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1965-66 in that era it always hit the

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front page of the newspapers so my

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brother and I were both very interested

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in the subject and we were kind of

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playing around with it and we came to

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the conclusion that these crafts were

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not only extraterrestrial but they were

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using some kind of electromagnetic or

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nuclear energy to give them the ability

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to defy gravity so that that was one of

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my first beginnings of getting

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interested in the subject started quite

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credit a young age actually okay now did

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you ever see anything strange actually

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we did because my brother and I were in

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the process of trying to actually build

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when his craft and we decided that it

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was probably something using pulse

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electromagnetic energy of some sort and

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so we had designed on paper at least a

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30-foot craft with three pulsed

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electromagnetic engines now mind you

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were

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like nine and ten years old but we

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decide we're gonna build this and so my

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mother took us to the store one day and

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we were waiting for her to checkout we

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noticed that the newsstand there was a

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little small magazine called the Flying

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Saucer review and we purchased a copy of

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it had a mother persons a copy of it and

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took it home and we started reading it

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and in the magazine it basically said

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that UFOs are seen around military

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installations nuclear power plants and

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places where anti-gravity research is

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being done so we just kind of looked at

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each other and we said wow we're doing

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anti-gravity research maybe want to come

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visit us well it wasn't but a month

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later my brother came to my room early

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one Saturday morning around 6:30 and

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woke me up and said there's someone

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trying to break into my room and I said

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well what do you mean he said well

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someone's outside and kind of mumbling

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around trying to take out the screen I

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said well just look out and see who it

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was he said no I didn't do that you know

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and so we were back we looked there was

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nothing there and I said well we got the

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backyard and you know a dog and we'll go

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back and see who's back there so at this

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time of the year it was right before the

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time change about April of 65 and it was

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very light outside the Sun hadn't

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already come up was bright someday yes

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day of daylight we were walking down the

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hallway and as we went down the hallway

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in the home or home I was talking to him

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and he said look and I turn around as he

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worked as he was walking forward I was

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looking backwards towards him and he was

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pointing at our living room drapes which

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were white drapes and the Sun was coming

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in to the drapes so they're all lit up

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and I didn't see him so I said well what

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do you see Jeff and he said there was

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somebody standing against the window

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when I told you to look they floated

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back whenever the words used they said

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they floated backwards a lot gonna

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strain it so I thought he was just

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pulling my leg

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so I said fine let's go out backyard

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we'll go see what's happening so we went

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into the garage and as we did our

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kitchen was right there I'd noticed the

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clocks at 6:30 a.m. on it and we went

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into the garage and then out the back

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door and to the end of the house where

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so we could look back at his bedroom

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window

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and there's nothing there something oh

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yeah right sure there's nothing here

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Jeff whoo yeah you just pulling my leg

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we turned around to go back into the

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house and they're 30 feet from us

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hovering ten feet off the ground was a

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landing craft making a humming noise

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much like a high voltage transformer in

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the nighttime if you ever walk down a

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street and heard one thing's humming it

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sounded exactly like that and right fact

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they were stunned so continue on I said

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to him well my first thought was this

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thing looks well my first thought was oh

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my gosh these things were real my second

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thought the ones in my head was oh my

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gosh this thing was man-made because if

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you looked at it it was a tank I always

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tell people if you took a brick and he

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blew it up to you know four feet wide by

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three feet tall by eight to ten feet

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long and it completely smoothes all the

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edges and then tainted it a bright

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orange and then it had blue corrugated

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landing gear four of them and then

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Bramwell black suction cups on the

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bottom of the lane a year and then it

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had brown crossbars on the legs

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connecting legs two to two on each side

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and in the middle of the crossbars there

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was a bolt and it was a bolt that made

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me think this thing's man maybe because

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I'm thinking why would I have a bolt on

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it but as I looked at the craft it was

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perfectly smooth almost like a ceramic

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but I don't believe we had ceramics back

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in those days I mean back in those days

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I was rivets and and that's to put

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things together metal sheet metal

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together so there was not a seam in this

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whole craft I mean it was completely

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seamless so the next thought that went

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through my head was how did these guys

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get in and out of this thing because

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there's no doors no windows it was just

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a tank hovering and it was completely

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frozen in the sky so I said to him I'm

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gonna go in and get a camera off your

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it-- back and I ran into the garage

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turned to go into the house and the door

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was locked and I said I would pounding

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on the doors hoping that one of my older

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brother would come and open it up and

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about five minutes later he did I win in

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bed camera came back out and my brother

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was standing up on top of a swing

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that we had looking off to the west but

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the craft was gone and I said what

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happened and he said well just hovered

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there for a minute

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and it slowly started to drift away and

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there's a shot over the horizon so that

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was our experience as young kids and

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that is pretty much shaped who I'd been

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for the rest of my life that's up close

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and personal about how what was the

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distance between you and the craft at

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that point well when it was over in I

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took 25 to 30 feet it wasn't very funny

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it was right in front of our faces did

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you have any feel any physiological

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effects any prickly skin hair standing

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up anything like that that would

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indicate something electrical no we

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didn't actually although we did have a I

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think it was a peach peach tree we had

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three peach trees in the backyard and

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later many many many years later when we

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dug up but one peach tree because it had

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died by that time we noticed that the

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roots had grown in a circle which is

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interesting a circular so the craft

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would have been not right over it but

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very close to that particular tree well

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that's that's interesting hmm

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so you know it's one thing to see now

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I've had many people say many things I

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mean over the years I the first reaction

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was on that Monday morning when I went

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to school I would have been in about the

520
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fifth or sixth grade at that time I

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mentioned this to my best buddy I said

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hey Tom you know this happened to me

523
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over the weekend when I was expecting a

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you know an intelligent response or oh

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my gosh you know I can't believe that

526
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and he just looked at me and he said you

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want to go play baseball and I thought

528
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did you hear what I said that didn't

529
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register I'll tell you Jim that did not

530
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register it's like what you said maybe

531
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just didn't compute in that person's

532
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mindset and we'll get into more of this

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coverage in our next segment

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Jan horizon-- is the brand-new upfront

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and personal director of MUFON the

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mutual UFO network so many more

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questions to deal with with gene and

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Chris in the payara cast

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and joins us telling about the

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sighting involving he and his brother

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upfront and personal thirty feet away

647
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from this thing I would have been

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unfortunately nine or ten years old at

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that time I don't know the exact date

650
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but I remember it happened prior to the

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Michigan exciting where swamp cats

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became the watchword of the day and it

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happened after I had moved to a new

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middle school so it's brat I have a

655
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bracketed but I believe it was April of

656
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:46,900
1965 approximately and that would have

657
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made me actually owe 10 years old I

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believe well interesting that's the same

659
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month that I had my

660
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,020
up-close-and-personal non-human entity

661
00:28:01,080 --> 00:27:58,480
encounter as a kid same along the same

662
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:01,090
year uh-huh a month same year yeah

663
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,130
there's actually quite a bit of activity

664
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:05,440
there in fact I just had a good friend

665
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:08,170
of the family my wife was talking to her

666
00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:10,060
and mentioned that I was taking over as

667
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the executive director for MUFON and I

668
00:28:14,970 --> 00:28:13,540
mean it was someone we don't talk about

669
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,980
UFOs with particularly and the next

670
00:28:19,530 --> 00:28:16,720
thing she do she starts unloading her

671
00:28:22,830 --> 00:28:19,540
UFO sightings from Pasadena that she had

672
00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:22,840
in 1965 where three crafts up by JPL

673
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came down and watched her as a young

674
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girl playing football in the backyard

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with her brother it's just amazing when

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you start talking to people this is not

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something people generally share it

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that's the first thing you tell your

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newest friend no unless you want him to

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run away quick but actually mine was

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mine was a year prior to that mine was

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64 I think cuz I was seven so that would

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have made it what 64 but that three year

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period

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64 through 66 it was quite a bit of

686
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activity yeah the other definitely was

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before we go on when this happened did

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you go to your friends your family and

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say My heavens look what we saw well you

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know what's interesting

691
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,170
my brother and I talked about it and we

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decided going to the authorities since

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we were only 9 and 10 years old

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00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:10,930
they weren't gonna believe it anyway and

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then we talked about part of there were

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parents and he said now it's we

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to ourselves basically particularly

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after that experience I had with my best

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friend which the realization hit me that

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people have a hard time integrating this

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within their paradigm those within their

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belief system and if people can't

703
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integrate it then they just reject it

704
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:33,820
and they ignore it I think that's one of

705
00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:36,090
our biggest challenges in this field

706
00:29:41,130 --> 00:29:38,230
particularly among scientists and others

707
00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:41,140
is it you know it's not in your belief

708
00:29:46,650 --> 00:29:42,750
system there's not in your paradigm you

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know it just doesn't exist so we didn't

710
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immediately now years later maybe five

711
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:51,190
years later we didn't mention it to our

712
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:54,280
folks and their take on it was oh I said

713
00:29:58,020 --> 00:29:55,210
you know it was interesting to that

714
00:30:00,750 --> 00:29:58,030
money they believed us but no I did not

715
00:30:03,810 --> 00:30:00,760
go around telling you okay I met I just

716
00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:03,820
seen a UFO the best way to make friends

717
00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:07,300
with the girls especially no not really

718
00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:09,640
no it could be frightening to a lot of

719
00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:11,860
people did not endear you to them but

720
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:14,560
was this something that just kept

721
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,690
staying with you during your teen years

722
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:19,840
did you ever see anything else well I

723
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:21,930
had other what I would call paranormal

724
00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:24,400
experiences but I know I'd never saw

725
00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:26,620
another craft at least not as a young

726
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:27,940
man

727
00:30:33,090 --> 00:30:29,950
so the answer to that is no but what

728
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:33,100
defective did have on me was when I saw

729
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:34,930
this craft it struck me that the

730
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:37,720
technology that the craft was displaying

731
00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:41,050
that if we could harness that we could

732
00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:43,390
greatly advance where mankind is from

733
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:46,390
the standpoint of Transportation I mean

734
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:47,650
this thing obviously could get from here

735
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:50,710
there pretty darn quick so it's just

736
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,570
unfathomable to me that you know a

737
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:54,720
hundred plus years later we're still

738
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,850
ramming air over a wing to get people to

739
00:31:00,810 --> 00:30:58,960
fly from here to there

740
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:00,820
when this technology's sitting right in

741
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:03,310
front of our face that we could figure

742
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:06,730
out and harness and put to good use the

743
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:08,200
other which I didn't really think of

744
00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:09,910
immediately but later on was it the

745
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,040
whole energy system so there's no tanks

746
00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:14,080
or ain't propellant or any fuel on this

747
00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:16,060
thing so whatever energy it was

748
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:17,830
generating it was generally internally

749
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:21,130
or out of the vacuum of space so you

750
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:22,480
know just I just I just think from a

751
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:25,930
technology standpoint that forget the

752
00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:28,120
people forget who's coming here

753
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,100
they're coming here just looking at the

754
00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:33,360
technology available to us was very

755
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:36,940
startling to me and very exciting and so

756
00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:39,040
one of the things I did was I started to

757
00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:40,990
go down the path of being a scientist

758
00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:44,020
being an engineer and I ended up getting

759
00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:47,800
into UCLA School of Engineering where I

760
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:50,380
studied at first electrical but then I

761
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:52,450
switched over to nuclear because I

762
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:53,590
figured it was one either of an

763
00:31:57,450 --> 00:31:55,630
electromagnetic or nuclear or some

764
00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:57,460
combination of those forces that was

765
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,810
causing them to be able to do what they

766
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:00,240
did

767
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:02,260
fortunately I quickly realized that our

768
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:04,210
technology and our science at that point

769
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:07,060
was was pretty lacking and that we

770
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:08,350
weren't going to get there just using

771
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:10,540
the standard textbooks and things that

772
00:32:16,110 --> 00:32:12,970
existed at the moment so I looked around

773
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:16,120
and I was thinking about changing my

774
00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:17,700
major but I ended up staying with it and

775
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:20,260
graduating with my degree in nuclear

776
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:23,020
engineering and then of course you and

777
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:26,980
Stan Friedman yes it was a physicist but

778
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,530
nuclear physicist correct that's correct

779
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:32,080
now nuclear engineering in what sense

780
00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:36,970
does that apply to the field well I just

781
00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:40,350
to me it applied in that there was some

782
00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:42,670
either nuclear forces or look at

783
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:45,640
magnetic forces some kind of forces that

784
00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:49,450
were being negated by this craft that

785
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:51,100
allowed it to just hover in the sky

786
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:53,820
without any wings or propellers or

787
00:33:00,210 --> 00:32:57,250
engines but just hanging there the only

788
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:00,220
obvious means of propulsion that I could

789
00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:01,870
tell was this humming noise coming from

790
00:33:06,780 --> 00:33:03,030
it

791
00:33:09,060 --> 00:33:06,790
high voltage humming noise so there was

792
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:09,070
never any doubt when you saw his things

793
00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:13,390
as a solid metallic craft obviously far

794
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:14,860
more advanced than anything we could

795
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:19,570
produce definitely most definitely you

796
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:21,910
automatically just you just assumed that

797
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:24,370
this was something that wasn't something

798
00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:27,790
of ours well I definitely was in my

799
00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:29,830
opinion it definitely was not ours now

800
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:31,780
would it be in other countries could it

801
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:34,510
be another civilization living on this

802
00:33:37,470 --> 00:33:36,250
planet it's possible I mean I doesn't

803
00:33:39,510 --> 00:33:37,480
have to be enough extraterrestrial

804
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:39,520
origin but it's certainly not something

805
00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:41,170
from the United States inventory at that

806
00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:41,960
time

807
00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:43,820
because that's my belief and the reason

808
00:33:47,470 --> 00:33:46,760
I believe that is because if it had been

809
00:33:49,390 --> 00:33:47,480
ours

810
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:49,400
50 years later you would think that we

811
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:50,690
would be putting that into some kind of

812
00:33:56,170 --> 00:33:53,210
commercial use now maybe that's naive

813
00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:56,180
but I I believe that to be true now I do

814
00:34:02,200 --> 00:33:58,930
have a researcher friend whose father

815
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:02,210
was the research scientist at the

816
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:04,460
Rockwell Science Center in Thousand Oaks

817
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:05,840
which is where I grew up is where the

818
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:09,050
sighting occurred and his view of it is

819
00:34:12,669 --> 00:34:10,820
oh this is obviously something my father

820
00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:12,679
was working on and they were just

821
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:14,990
testing it and you happen to see it and

822
00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:19,190
I said well bill it's possible I

823
00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:21,700
certainly put that down as a possibility

824
00:34:26,590 --> 00:34:24,590
but why would they be testing their

825
00:34:29,409 --> 00:34:26,600
craft at 6:30 in the morning on a

826
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:29,419
Saturday in my backyard that doesn't

827
00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:32,149
make any sense to me that's a good

828
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:32,780
question

829
00:34:38,169 --> 00:34:35,510
why would they why would why would even

830
00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:38,179
et be there or some ultra terrestrial or

831
00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:39,710
crypto terrestrial why would they be in

832
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:42,409
your backyard it's a very good question

833
00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:44,450
I have no real answer to it I mean I

834
00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:47,870
have some theories I mean one is that we

835
00:34:51,930 --> 00:34:49,639
did I think there is some element of

836
00:34:54,730 --> 00:34:51,940
consciousness to this whole whole matter

837
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:54,740
and having been sitting on our bed

838
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:57,050
reading this flying saucer review and

839
00:35:00,880 --> 00:34:58,970
reading those lines and say that this

840
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,890
craft we're seeing around you know

841
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:02,960
military installations nuclear power

842
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:05,330
plants and places where UFO research are

843
00:35:09,310 --> 00:35:05,780
being done

844
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:09,320
know by SPECT and then thinking to

845
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:10,430
ourselves talking we actually some

846
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:12,290
formalized to ourselves oh my gosh maybe

847
00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:13,510
one of these things would come visit us

848
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:16,760
I have to believe there was some kind of

849
00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:18,380
a connection to that whole thing so

850
00:35:22,510 --> 00:35:20,030
maybe that might be interesting to

851
00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:22,520
discuss further but I wanted to focus on

852
00:35:25,780 --> 00:35:23,990
something else you mentioned earlier and

853
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:25,790
that is when I asked you've got more

854
00:35:29,860 --> 00:35:28,130
experiences you said you've had some

855
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:29,870
paranormal experiences and we're going

856
00:35:32,830 --> 00:35:31,610
to have to break for the next segment in

857
00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:32,840
a moment in about a minute

858
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:34,760
but maybe you can start and tell us any

859
00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:37,970
of those experiences did you had worth

860
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:41,800
repeating give us one throw us a bone

861
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:46,610
okay I will do that so go ahead do you

862
00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:48,410
want to do that now start with it and

863
00:35:52,349 --> 00:35:49,640
then we'll do the break and then we'll

864
00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:52,359
come back and complete it well the two

865
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:55,670
specific ones was when I was

866
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three or four years old I woke up from a

867
00:36:02,859 --> 00:36:01,099
nap and there was a angel or light being

868
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sitting on the chair across from me

869
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:06,440
watching me which scared the holy terror

870
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out of me

871
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and then the other one was that I had a

872
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time-loop much like Groundhog Day that

873
00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:17,780
occurred where time looped on itself

874
00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:20,660
which is very strange oh boy you know

875
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this will be the great cliffhanger

876
00:36:27,849 --> 00:36:25,670
ladies and gentlemen time loop I want to

877
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focus on that before we continue with

878
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some of the other stuff and of course

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about the current state of MUFON our

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guest is Jan Harz am the organization's

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00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:03,810
hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

988
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:06,690
in to the para cast let me tell you what

989
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:09,060
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

990
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:12,570
probably won't hear anywhere else here

991
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:13,770
that George Noory

992
00:41:20,090 --> 00:41:17,880
a time-loop this is fascinating Jan

993
00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:20,100
hores anning us with gene and Chris on

994
00:41:25,070 --> 00:41:22,830
the para cast so let's have the

995
00:41:27,590 --> 00:41:25,080
specifics here I remember of course the

996
00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:27,600
movie Groundhog Day and maybe most of

997
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you remember it this is a great kind of

998
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unusual offbeat quirky comedy with Bill

999
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Murray who's offbeat and quirky it's

1000
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about this guy this TV weatherman who

1001
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experiences the same day over and over

1002
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:45,480
again until he gets it right so okay you

1003
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:48,060
had a time-loop Jim how old were you

1004
00:41:53,090 --> 00:41:49,890
when this happened where were you and

1005
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:53,100
how did it manifest itself I was around

1006
00:41:58,820 --> 00:41:55,470
11 or 12 at the time and I was in the

1007
00:42:01,870 --> 00:41:58,830
front foyer of my home where the front

1008
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:01,880
door comes into the house and I had this

1009
00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:04,110
experience where I had walked out the

1010
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:06,390
door I walked down to the end of my

1011
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:08,730
driveway ran into my neighbor who was a

1012
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:11,340
young kid my age living next door at the

1013
00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:15,280
time we got into a

1014
00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:17,620
disagreement about something which ended

1015
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:20,980
up turning into a fistfight and he

1016
00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:22,750
throwing him into our ditch which is

1017
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:24,190
they start housing jumping on top of

1018
00:42:27,810 --> 00:42:25,690
them and basically we got a big fight

1019
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:27,820
that's what happened and then all of a

1020
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:31,090
sudden after it happened it was like BAM

1021
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:33,580
I was back in the foyer walking out the

1022
00:42:39,870 --> 00:42:35,530
front door again it was it at that

1023
00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:39,880
moment it hit me I I just did this and I

1024
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:42,430
literally walked out the front door walk

1025
00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:44,290
down my driver you exactly like I had

1026
00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:47,320
just done went into my neighbor exactly

1027
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:49,120
as I had done that said the exact same

1028
00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:50,410
words to him had the exact same response

1029
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:53,980
got the exact same fight went in you

1030
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:55,330
know get a fight that threw him

1031
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,490
into the ditch chumps gonna topo

1032
00:43:01,260 --> 00:42:59,200
I mean were young kids at the time so

1033
00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:01,270
that what we did we fun and and as I was

1034
00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:02,440
going through the whole experience I

1035
00:43:07,890 --> 00:43:04,870
kept thinking to myself I wondered if I

1036
00:43:09,870 --> 00:43:07,900
can change this now I didn't because I

1037
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,880
wanted to see how it would play out so I

1038
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:11,680
just let it play out as it was playing

1039
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,450
out but you know as I'm literally going

1040
00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:14,800
through these emotions I'm thinking

1041
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:16,750
myself I wonder if I can change this or

1042
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:19,210
if this is all predestined you know this

1043
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:20,860
is just the way it's just programmed

1044
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:22,680
because it's already happened in time

1045
00:43:26,970 --> 00:43:24,970
but it was a very freaky experience I

1046
00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:26,980
mean I've never had a sense I have

1047
00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:28,420
spoken to other people who had similar

1048
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:32,200
experiences but it's pretty strange it

1049
00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:34,030
makes you question you know what is time

1050
00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:36,280
and how does time work does that all

1051
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:37,840
make you question what your original

1052
00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:40,690
perception is about the UFO or flying

1053
00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:43,750
saucer you saw might be because they

1054
00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:46,270
were seeing the time may not be what we

1055
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:49,000
expect what about something from out of

1056
00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:51,430
time that just appeared briefly well it

1057
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:52,630
has brought up for me I mean I've

1058
00:43:57,810 --> 00:43:55,090
thought through you know for my sighting

1059
00:43:59,820 --> 00:43:57,820
specifically you know do we somehow have

1060
00:44:02,280 --> 00:43:59,830
a way of creating reality do we have

1061
00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:02,290
some way to to do this it could it could

1062
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:03,580
it be something out of time yeah I mean

1063
00:44:06,690 --> 00:44:04,930
it certainly could be something out of

1064
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:06,700
time but time travel or something of

1065
00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:08,680
that sort I mean I don't know the nature

1066
00:44:14,010 --> 00:44:11,800
or origin of the craft that we saw all I

1067
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:14,020
know is it was there was physical it was

1068
00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:18,850
showing very advanced technology and for

1069
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:20,440
some reason it wanted to show itself to

1070
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:22,630
us so that we would know it had been

1071
00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:25,230
there and then it is pretty much left

1072
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:28,270
but certainly yeah you think about all

1073
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:30,130
these things trying to figure out how

1074
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:33,010
does this work why is it happening who's

1075
00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:35,050
behind it you know what is the

1076
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,180
technology that's doing this it's a very

1077
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,520
fascinating study it might be now I've

1078
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:41,200
always been the scientist mind I always

1079
00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:44,740
want to know why and this just speaks

1080
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:46,660
your your mind you know in terms of

1081
00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:50,290
thinking these way so absolutely do you

1082
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:52,600
ever think that maybe the UFO is

1083
00:44:57,090 --> 00:44:55,450
manifesting itself to you in a way that

1084
00:44:58,700 --> 00:44:57,100
you can understand you're reading about

1085
00:45:01,520 --> 00:44:58,710
flying saucers you're reading about

1086
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:01,530
things that have a science fiction

1087
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,310
flavor to them ever consider that no no

1088
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:08,800
really I think I've often thought you

1089
00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:11,230
know was a reason why it's manifest or

1090
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:13,950
showed itself to me was to get me to

1091
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:16,960
number one know it's real and number two

1092
00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:18,970
to be interested in it and the whole

1093
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:20,380
subject of how it works

1094
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:23,230
so perhaps I can help affect change on

1095
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:25,350
this planet and and bring that about

1096
00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:27,430
alright so you think that you're being

1097
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:30,280
communicated with them by whatever is

1098
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:33,130
responsible for that craft well I'm not

1099
00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:34,510
saying I was communicated with them

1100
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:37,000
basically saying this there's probably a

1101
00:45:40,830 --> 00:45:39,370
reason I'm thinking there's a reason why

1102
00:45:43,350 --> 00:45:40,840
they showed themselves well can why

1103
00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:43,360
would they show themselves to us there

1104
00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:46,900
must be something behind that that

1105
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:49,960
they're wanting to have happen so but

1106
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:52,090
you know that's I'm not here to do their

1107
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:53,410
bidding I'm here to do what I want to do

1108
00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:54,400
I just happen to be interested in

1109
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:56,140
technology I've always been a scientist

1110
00:46:00,840 --> 00:45:59,050
type and engineering and I can think of

1111
00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:00,850
nothing more fascinating to work on than

1112
00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:02,320
you know trying to figure out how to

1113
00:46:07,530 --> 00:46:04,870
travel to the Stars or you know beat

1114
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:07,540
gravity at his own game or or you know

1115
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,370
create energy that allows us to not have

1116
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,160
to have power lines strung across the

1117
00:46:17,490 --> 00:46:14,400
planet it's a very trickster --is--

1118
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:17,500
event similar to many that have been

1119
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:19,930
recounted down through the years it

1120
00:46:23,610 --> 00:46:22,210
definitely had an impact on your reality

1121
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:23,620
of you I mean you never looked at your

1122
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,890
reality the same after that so it

1123
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:29,440
definitely had a it had a post

1124
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:32,470
experience impact that pushed you in the

1125
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:34,990
direction of not really having any

1126
00:46:38,940 --> 00:46:36,970
doubts anymore in your mind about the

1127
00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:38,950
validity of this particular type of

1128
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:41,500
phenomena yeah I would say

1129
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:44,050
Crysta a close encounter of this type

1130
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,640
has definite psychological you know I

1131
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:51,520
know I did I I've never been the same

1132
00:46:57,420 --> 00:46:54,010
since then it's messing with your

1133
00:47:00,440 --> 00:46:57,430
reality it really did even just as much

1134
00:47:03,660 --> 00:47:00,450
as having that repeating time incident

1135
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:03,670
having your little Groundhog Day affair

1136
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:05,890
that something was messing with you

1137
00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:07,750
something was telling you something you

1138
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:10,120
think and I mentioned this because I

1139
00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:13,720
don't know if you were ever a reader of

1140
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:16,420
the magazine's published by Ray Palmer

1141
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:20,370
you know who he was right I do not okay

1142
00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:22,630
all right let me enlighten you Ray

1143
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:25,120
Palmer was originally a science fiction

1144
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:27,130
writer and editor he was the editor of

1145
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:29,350
amazing stories he was the guy who

1146
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:31,740
brought to the public the shaver mystery

1147
00:47:36,110 --> 00:47:34,090
about a guy named Richard shaver who

1148
00:47:38,490 --> 00:47:36,120
claimed to have been in contact with

1149
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:38,500
dwellers beneath the surface of the

1150
00:47:44,190 --> 00:47:41,380
earth maybe a breakaway civilization or

1151
00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:44,200
something he talked about objects that

1152
00:47:49,650 --> 00:47:47,350
later manifested themselves apparently

1153
00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:49,660
as UFOs so he may have been the guy one

1154
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:51,940
of early guys who talked about the

1155
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:54,220
arrival of UFOs well Ray Palmer had a

1156
00:48:01,410 --> 00:47:58,240
magazine out called flying saucers that

1157
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:01,420
discussed different theories about UFOs

1158
00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:04,090
one of which was the flying saucers were

1159
00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:08,590
here to make us think and you know we

1160
00:48:12,090 --> 00:48:10,150
can go into other things about Ray

1161
00:48:14,070 --> 00:48:12,100
Palmer we've done some episodes on him

1162
00:48:15,450 --> 00:48:14,080
we even talked to his son recently he

1163
00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:15,460
was also one of the founders of fate

1164
00:48:21,870 --> 00:48:17,790
magazine I'm sure you've heard of that

1165
00:48:24,510 --> 00:48:21,880
okay now when Palmer says flying saucers

1166
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:24,520
are here to make us think well certainly

1167
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:27,220
it made you think because it very much

1168
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:29,290
changed your life in many ways didn't it

1169
00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:30,900
oh absolutely

1170
00:48:35,010 --> 00:48:32,950
well you know going back to what Chris

1171
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:35,020
had said - I mean just your whole

1172
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:37,390
worldview is shattered in a moment I

1173
00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:40,330
mean you can believe in UFOs I mean you

1174
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:41,320
can say oh yeah I know there's

1175
00:48:44,340 --> 00:48:42,430
extraterrestrials out there but I'll

1176
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:44,350
tell you when there's 30 feet from your

1177
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:47,500
face or whatever this graph was I'm not

1178
00:48:51,570 --> 00:48:49,270
saying it's extraterrestrial but I but

1179
00:48:53,070 --> 00:48:51,580
that seems like a good hypothesis you

1180
00:48:55,050 --> 00:48:53,080
know it just turned your whole world

1181
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:55,060
upside down now yeah and I was only you

1182
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,450
know 10

1183
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:57,520
the time so you know your if your view

1184
00:49:00,720 --> 00:48:58,690
is that you know you live in the house a

1185
00:49:02,250 --> 00:49:00,730
little picket fence you know and the Sun

1186
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:02,260
comes up and the Sun Goes Down and you

1187
00:49:05,070 --> 00:49:03,910
have breakfast and dinner and you go

1188
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:05,080
play with your friends and that's kind

1189
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:08,710
of your life at that age now all of a

1190
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,970
sudden something shows up that has

1191
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:11,440
nothing to do with anything you've ever

1192
00:49:16,410 --> 00:49:14,890
ever experienced before it stops you

1193
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:16,420
dead in your tracks and it turns your

1194
00:49:21,810 --> 00:49:17,440
whole world upside down

1195
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,820
it's very psychologically disconcerting

1196
00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:23,920
that's what I would say and it was so

1197
00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:26,500
much disconcerting that my brother who

1198
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:28,600
was with me you're younger than me in

1199
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,630
age I had a very difficult time in his

1200
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:34,000
life he turned to alcohol and then to

1201
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:36,790
drugs and I'm pleased to say he's now

1202
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:39,430
clean but you know it for years it

1203
00:49:46,590 --> 00:49:41,770
messed him up in terms of of who he was

1204
00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:46,600
now I noticed a lot of people who have

1205
00:49:52,590 --> 00:49:50,100
had that impact are affected or

1206
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:52,600
encountered these objects they have

1207
00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:54,640
difficulty in their lives with stuff it

1208
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:57,460
just seems to be very troubling because

1209
00:50:00,900 --> 00:49:59,410
it just doesn't fit in with anything we

1210
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:00,910
currently you know in the mainstream

1211
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,190
know to be true well in your case it

1212
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:05,760
made you a nuclear scientist right

1213
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:08,350
exactly do you think that you would have

1214
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:11,830
in your wildest dreams become what you

1215
00:50:16,050 --> 00:50:13,930
became had it not been for those

1216
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:16,060
experiences I highly doubt it

1217
00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:18,310
I highly doubt it it was it was the real

1218
00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:20,950
driver for me growing up okay

1219
00:50:26,250 --> 00:50:22,870
at what point did you get actively

1220
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:26,260
involved in a UFO research organization

1221
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:29,050
or organizations well actually not until

1222
00:50:32,820 --> 00:50:30,400
many years later now the first time I

1223
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:32,830
ever saw MUFON was on a TV show actually

1224
00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:34,810
was a news program where Walt Andrus was

1225
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:36,670
being interviewed he was about in 1972

1226
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:40,150
and he was being interviewed by the news

1227
00:50:44,610 --> 00:50:42,820
people who were on a sighting and and

1228
00:50:46,350 --> 00:50:44,620
wanted his opinion on something so I

1229
00:50:48,990 --> 00:50:46,360
hadn't moved I was back my brain I knew

1230
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:49,000
about MUFON but when I graduated from

1231
00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:52,570
college I can't change my focus I went

1232
00:50:57,090 --> 00:50:53,830
more into the business side of things

1233
00:50:59,550 --> 00:50:57,100
and I end up joining IBM as a company

1234
00:51:01,350 --> 00:50:59,560
because I really wanted to go with a

1235
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:01,360
company that had a huge research budget

1236
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:02,950
because I felt you know if somebody

1237
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:04,570
could just apply some of that money to

1238
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:07,210
this problem this opportunity is

1239
00:51:12,270 --> 00:51:08,950
challenged that week

1240
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:12,280
solve it so I worked 37 damos 37 years

1241
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,490
with IBM retired just two months ago and

1242
00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:17,200
in sales and marketing I was an

1243
00:51:20,910 --> 00:51:19,390
executive with them and during my time

1244
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:20,920
there I had the opportunity to talk to

1245
00:51:25,770 --> 00:51:24,010
two senior VPS of research about this

1246
00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:25,780
subject well split for the segment here

1247
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,430
and we'll continue that we have Jan Harz

1248
00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:29,440
an international director of MUFON the

1249
00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:31,840
mutual UFO network joining gene and

1250
00:51:42,270 --> 00:51:40,030
Chris you're in the para cast America's

1251
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1273
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1274
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1275
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stating a central bank issuing the

1276
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public currency is a greater menace to

1277
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the liberties of the people than a

1278
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1311
00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:13,420
here's Jane Steinberg Jan Harz enjoining

1312
00:54:17,609 --> 00:54:15,640
Gina and Chris and the power cast this

1313
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:17,619
week he's the new international director

1314
00:54:24,510 --> 00:54:20,050
of mutual UFO network and he mentions

1315
00:54:25,710 --> 00:54:24,520
here he worked for IBM and as you were

1316
00:54:27,540 --> 00:54:25,720
saying in the previous segment you

1317
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,550
talked to a couple of executives about

1318
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:30,160
UFO research yeah over over the course

1319
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:32,020
of number of years I mean we've had

1320
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:34,000
several senior vice presidents of

1321
00:54:37,410 --> 00:54:35,920
research and I had the opportunity

1322
00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:37,420
through different briefings and things

1323
00:54:41,099 --> 00:54:39,400
that I had intended to actually spend

1324
00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:41,109
some time just talking to them the

1325
00:54:46,830 --> 00:54:43,540
reaction wasn't that these things aren't

1326
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,840
real although I think I got a little bit

1327
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:49,359
of skepticism but it was mostly that you

1328
00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:52,930
know if we monitor everything we we have

1329
00:54:56,580 --> 00:54:54,340
scientists looking at the basic

1330
00:54:58,590 --> 00:54:56,590
fundamental building blocks of the

1331
00:54:59,880 --> 00:54:58,600
universe and how you know materials get

1332
00:55:01,560 --> 00:54:59,890
built and things like that that's that's

1333
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:01,570
fundamental to the to the business that

1334
00:55:05,790 --> 00:55:03,730
idea I was in and if there was anything

1335
00:55:08,370 --> 00:55:05,800
to this we would know about it that was

1336
00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:08,380
kind of reaction I got so it was an

1337
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:09,880
eye-opener for me that it's very

1338
00:55:16,310 --> 00:55:13,119
difficult to get real scientists to

1339
00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:16,320
study this problem with an open mind

1340
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:18,220
that doesn't mean we don't have real

1341
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:20,290
scientists studying so we do lots of

1342
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:22,810
them but it's just it's very difficult

1343
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:24,490
to get you know if someone haven't had a

1344
00:55:28,980 --> 00:55:26,890
personal experience themselves or hasn't

1345
00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:28,990
had some close family member I think

1346
00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:30,520
it's just it's just we're dealing with

1347
00:55:33,450 --> 00:55:31,750
the paradigm thing and we're dealing

1348
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,460
with a belief system again and it's just

1349
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:35,680
very difficult to get past that okay so

1350
00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:38,800
you first became acquainted with MUFON

1351
00:55:44,070 --> 00:55:42,040
when Walt Andrus was running it when did

1352
00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:44,080
you join and when did you become more

1353
00:55:48,330 --> 00:55:46,300
active in the organization okay

1354
00:55:52,170 --> 00:55:48,340
well as I was as I was moving through my

1355
00:55:54,030 --> 00:55:52,180
career at IBM I was a branch manager in

1356
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:54,040
Orange County California and I was

1357
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:56,130
getting some business coaching from a

1358
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:58,450
what I would call good friends it wasn't

1359
00:56:01,620 --> 00:55:59,950
he wasn't a good friend at that time but

1360
00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:01,630
he was a business coach we can't became

1361
00:56:05,790 --> 00:56:04,420
good friends and he asked me the

1362
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:05,800
question one day he said well you know

1363
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:08,200
if you were independently wealthy what

1364
00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:09,900
would you be doing with your life

1365
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:12,100
well if I was you know I had all the

1366
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:13,390
money in like could do anything I wanted

1367
00:56:16,650 --> 00:56:14,770
to do if I decided to be doing a UFO

1368
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:16,660
research you so really says well tell me

1369
00:56:20,370 --> 00:56:18,490
more about that so I told about my

1370
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:20,380
experience and what I was involved in

1371
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:22,810
and how this was an important thing to

1372
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:26,230
me and how I felt it was something very

1373
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:28,090
important to be done but you know it

1374
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:30,070
needs to be funded and you know I don't

1375
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:31,510
have the money to do it now but if I did

1376
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:34,960
I would do that and he said hmm okay so

1377
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:37,390
he took that away and about a month

1378
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:39,070
later when I was talking to him working

1379
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:41,530
with him he pulled out a flier and said

1380
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:43,330
hey I wanted you to have this and it was

1381
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:47,140
a flyer for the UFO Expo West in the

1382
00:56:53,220 --> 00:56:50,650
Hyatt at LAX Airport which was put on by

1383
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:53,230
a gentleman who used to do the I mean

1384
00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:54,640
the whole life fest expose if I'm not

1385
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:57,310
mistaken I went wow you know I'd realize

1386
00:56:59,730 --> 00:56:58,480
there were these kinds of things I think

1387
00:57:01,710 --> 00:56:59,740
it's actually a little pamphlet a book

1388
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,720
paperback almost like a like a penny

1389
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:03,760
saver but it was full of chalk a block

1390
00:57:07,110 --> 00:57:05,530
full of all this all the your folk stuff

1391
00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:07,120
is gonna happen at this weekend event I

1392
00:57:11,460 --> 00:57:09,550
went to the event I just started to

1393
00:57:13,140 --> 00:57:11,470
drive up daily acts and go dancing I was

1394
00:57:15,540 --> 00:57:13,150
I was totally blown away by the number

1395
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,550
of speakers they had the topics they

1396
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:18,160
were talking about the vendors there was

1397
00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:19,810
a MUFON table there I got introduced to

1398
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:22,420
the MUFON people I think this is like 89

1399
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:25,090
to 91 and that time frame it was quite

1400
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:26,890
an eye-opener for me it was actually the

1401
00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:28,930
place where I met a good friend of mine

1402
00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:31,780
Tom Keller and Tom was also a graduate

1403
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:33,580
of the UCLA School of Engineering he's

1404
00:57:38,790 --> 00:57:36,010
about 10 years older than me and he was

1405
00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:38,800
standing there in the hallway and I saw

1406
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:40,150
him skating and I walked up to I said

1407
00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:42,610
hey this guy interesting isn't it and he

1408
00:57:45,780 --> 00:57:44,380
said sure is so we started talking

1409
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,790
became very very good friends you know I

1410
00:57:49,620 --> 00:57:47,440
actually took a couple trips out to area

1411
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:49,630
51 together and then he of course wrote

1412
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,390
the book novices guide to the UFOs many

1413
00:57:56,850 --> 00:57:54,640
years later but that kind of got me

1414
00:58:01,470 --> 00:57:56,860
started and then I realized I found out

1415
00:58:03,330 --> 00:58:01,480
that the MUFON group in Los Angeles was

1416
00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:03,340
holding meetings at The Pickwick Center

1417
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:05,320
up in Burbank so I started attending

1418
00:58:08,670 --> 00:58:07,570
those on a monthly basis which was quite

1419
00:58:10,860 --> 00:58:08,680
a hike it was about an hour drive from

1420
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:10,870
my home but that's what my first got me

1421
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:14,200
started in MUFON and then about several

1422
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:17,350
months later a young lady by the name of

1423
00:58:22,650 --> 00:58:20,170
Deborah Trent Colley had sent a letter

1424
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:22,660
out all the MUFON members

1425
00:58:26,220 --> 00:58:24,490
in Orange County saying hey we're gonna

1426
00:58:29,009 --> 00:58:26,230
start a chapter in Orange County just

1427
00:58:30,329 --> 00:58:29,019
like they do in LA and if you'd like to

1428
00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:30,339
attend we're gonna have a kickoff

1429
00:58:33,450 --> 00:58:31,150
meeting

1430
00:58:37,499 --> 00:58:33,460
I think of an inlet hotel and

1431
00:58:41,130 --> 00:58:37,509
countryside in the countryside in on

1432
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,140
Bristol in Costa Mesa so I showed up to

1433
00:58:45,299 --> 00:58:42,880
that meeting and met about 20 or 30

1434
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:45,309
other like-minded individuals and that

1435
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:47,170
was the launch of MUFON Orange County

1436
00:58:51,390 --> 00:58:49,210
which I ended up after Deborah

1437
00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:51,400
retired from there running for the past

1438
00:58:56,759 --> 00:58:54,220
18 19 years all right so where does that

1439
00:59:00,089 --> 00:58:56,769
lead to becoming the international

1440
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:00,099
director well in running a state section

1441
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:03,730
under the state director at the time who

1442
00:59:07,890 --> 00:59:05,710
was Georgiana Farrelly in fact she's

1443
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:07,900
still a state director great lady who

1444
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:10,180
has been a good mentor to me through the

1445
00:59:17,130 --> 00:59:14,890
years we ran meetings and um Chris has

1446
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:17,140
been at our beings as a speaker at least

1447
00:59:22,410 --> 00:59:18,609
two times maybe three times over the

1448
00:59:24,930 --> 00:59:22,420
years it got me involved the point where

1449
00:59:27,210 --> 00:59:24,940
I was attending the symposiums every

1450
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:27,220
year and this goes back so maybe almost

1451
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:30,250
15 20 years all over the country and as

1452
00:59:34,170 --> 00:59:31,569
I was at the symposiums I had an

1453
00:59:35,609 --> 00:59:34,180
opportunity to talk to old Andrus quite

1454
00:59:37,890 --> 00:59:35,619
a bit and John Schuessler and the other

1455
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:37,900
folks who have been so instrumental and

1456
00:59:43,769 --> 00:59:40,410
running MUFON for the past 45 years and

1457
00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:43,779
what would send around a notice to the

1458
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:48,220
different chapters soliciting chapters

1459
00:59:53,759 --> 00:59:51,730
who would want to host the MUFON

1460
00:59:56,269 --> 00:59:53,769
symposium and he would move it around

1461
00:59:59,849 --> 00:59:56,279
from the west to the south to the east

1462
01:00:01,140 --> 00:59:59,859
to the Midwest you know so he would try

1463
01:00:04,650 --> 01:00:01,150
to move it around every year to a

1464
01:00:06,329 --> 01:00:04,660
different spot and one year he's I don't

1465
01:00:08,190 --> 01:00:06,339
know to say hey I'm looking for the

1466
01:00:11,700 --> 01:00:08,200
input for people who might want to run

1467
01:00:15,509 --> 01:00:11,710
host the symposium and I put up my board

1468
01:00:17,309 --> 01:00:15,519
and I put a thing as a proposal you'd

1469
01:00:18,450 --> 01:00:17,319
say together one page proposal saying

1470
01:00:23,009 --> 01:00:18,460
here's we'd like to do here's always

1471
01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:23,019
think it would be done and we were lucky

1472
01:00:29,279 --> 01:00:24,940
enough to be selected by Walt to host

1473
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:29,289
the 2001 MUFON symposium so in 2001 and

1474
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:31,089
we held the symposium here in Orange

1475
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:33,670
County at the Hyatt Irvine Hyatt Regency

1476
01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:35,910
Irvine and it was very sick

1477
01:00:42,940 --> 01:00:39,000
definitely well-attended and as a result

1478
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:42,950
of that between the time we accepted the

1479
01:00:48,859 --> 01:00:46,140
award from Walt to the time we ran the

1480
01:00:50,329 --> 01:00:48,869
conference Walt had retired after 30

1481
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:50,339
years of running MUFON and John

1482
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:51,569
Schuessler had come in as the new

1483
01:00:56,569 --> 01:00:54,690
international director and John and I

1484
01:00:58,430 --> 01:00:56,579
became good friends and through that

1485
01:01:02,480 --> 01:00:58,440
discussion John asked if I would join

1486
01:01:05,329 --> 01:01:02,490
the MUFON business board at the time he

1487
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:05,339
had when he took over he tried to bring

1488
01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:07,049
on some business people to help run

1489
01:01:11,329 --> 01:01:09,270
MUFON more like a business not because

1490
01:01:12,529 --> 01:01:11,339
we always struggle well when Walt ran

1491
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:12,539
the business it all ran out of his home

1492
01:01:15,620 --> 01:01:14,010
out of the garage so there was no no

1493
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,630
renter in like that it was pretty easy

1494
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:18,240
to make ends meet yet I think one one

1495
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:19,619
full-time secretary on one part-time

1496
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:21,000
person who worked and then he and his

1497
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:25,260
wife come to work the business but John

1498
01:01:30,109 --> 01:01:26,609
was trying to run it more like a

1499
01:01:32,779 --> 01:01:30,119
business and and you know build a MUFON

1500
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:32,789
stature make it continue to make it even

1501
01:01:37,460 --> 01:01:36,480
more professional than it was and I got

1502
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:37,470
this opportunity to be on the the

1503
01:01:43,930 --> 01:01:40,710
business board and start working with a

1504
01:01:48,650 --> 01:01:43,940
lot of great people on that board and so

1505
01:01:50,529 --> 01:01:48,660
through the years I was asked to if I

1506
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:50,539
would consider taking over the

1507
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:52,710
international director at the time was

1508
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:53,640
called the international director now

1509
01:01:57,950 --> 01:01:55,710
it's called executive director and of

1510
01:01:59,660 --> 01:01:57,960
course because of my work commitments my

1511
01:02:02,059 --> 01:01:59,670
my family commitments it was not

1512
01:02:03,740 --> 01:02:02,069
possible time so now that I've retired

1513
01:02:06,349 --> 01:02:03,750
from IBM now that my kids are pretty

1514
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:06,359
much in college or out of the house I

1515
01:02:10,490 --> 01:02:08,190
have the time and commit you know

1516
01:02:12,980 --> 01:02:10,500
ability to to do this so it was the

1517
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:12,990
right time to make this change okay I

1518
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,460
think I'm gonna ask a question here

1519
01:02:18,529 --> 01:02:17,039
which will probably require a lot more

1520
01:02:21,019 --> 01:02:18,539
than the remaining minute and a half of

1521
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:21,029
the segment answer now since John

1522
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:22,680
Schuessler left

1523
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:24,690
MUFON we've had a procession of

1524
01:02:28,460 --> 01:02:26,220
directors there of course

1525
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:28,470
for example James carrion and there was

1526
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:30,089
I guess kind of a cloud over his

1527
01:02:34,819 --> 01:02:30,809
departure

1528
01:02:38,569 --> 01:02:34,829
Clifford Clift David McDonald and now

1529
01:02:40,819 --> 01:02:38,579
you and does that kind of constant

1530
01:02:43,849 --> 01:02:40,829
movement of directors that kind of hurt

1531
01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:43,859
the organization because you get started

1532
01:02:48,049 --> 01:02:45,380
and then there's another guy in there I

1533
01:02:50,030 --> 01:02:48,059
don't think so open because we're really

1534
01:02:53,250 --> 01:02:50,040
done by a business boy

1535
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:53,260
so it's not it's not that's the unique

1536
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:55,450
thing about MUFON it's not like a lot of

1537
01:03:00,270 --> 01:02:57,610
UFO groups which are the person and

1538
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:00,280
that's the group I mean it's that person

1539
01:03:05,070 --> 01:03:02,710
is everything in MUFON we actually have

1540
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:05,080
a business board as well as you know

1541
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:07,570
state directors and and you know

1542
01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:09,369
hundreds of field investigators we have

1543
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:12,220
a whole organization here that it's not

1544
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:14,050
run of the dictatorship you know to run

1545
01:03:20,550 --> 01:03:17,730
as a nonprofit organization with

1546
01:03:23,820 --> 01:03:20,560
management oversight and and board

1547
01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:23,830
oversight so I think actually that's the

1548
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,820
one of the strengths of an organization

1549
01:03:30,660 --> 01:03:29,200
like MUFON you don't have to worry about

1550
01:03:32,609 --> 01:03:30,670
it evaporating and disappearing

1551
01:03:35,220 --> 01:03:32,619
overnight because because the leader

1552
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:35,230
died okay we will discuss more of MUFON

1553
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:36,970
and what's going on with them in our

1554
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:39,010
next segment we have the new director

1555
01:03:49,740 --> 01:03:41,890
Jan and joining Jeanne and Chris

1556
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,750
you're in the payara cast so here's what

1557
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:51,520
happened I was placing an order online

1558
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:54,430
the site went down it just stopped

1559
01:03:58,650 --> 01:03:56,890
responding it took hours before it

1560
01:04:00,420 --> 01:03:58,660
returned but I'd already placed the

1561
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:00,430
order with another company if your site

1562
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:03,010
goes down you could lose business and if

1563
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,570
you have a business or personal site

1564
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:06,880
you'll want to know it's easy to run and

1565
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:10,690
it will stay online at iWeb your site is

1566
01:04:15,930 --> 01:04:13,090
hosted on one of the most reliable

1567
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:15,940
networks in the world check it out i

1568
01:04:21,570 --> 01:04:17,050
web.com

1569
01:04:23,609 --> 01:04:21,580
the rock codes and it was a critically

1570
01:04:25,620 --> 01:04:23,619
acclaimed success and now there's the

1571
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:25,630
coming of the protectors a former

1572
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:27,760
military intelligence man is contacted

1573
01:04:32,550 --> 01:04:30,130
by a space woman in a dream a dream that

1574
01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:32,560
turns out to be a nightmare because evil

1575
01:04:35,700 --> 01:04:34,150
forces on our distant planet are

1576
01:04:38,070 --> 01:04:35,710
planning to conquer the earth

1577
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:38,080
this is gripping science fiction of the

1578
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:40,510
classic kind attack of the rock codes

1579
01:04:45,180 --> 01:04:42,609
and the coming of the protectors find

1580
01:04:49,950 --> 01:04:45,190
out more at Rocko its calm that's rock

1581
01:04:51,570 --> 01:04:49,960
oh it's our Ock oids calm Gould is it

1582
01:04:53,310 --> 01:04:51,580
for you today Anderson president of

1583
01:04:54,930 --> 01:04:53,320
Midas resources one of the world's

1584
01:04:56,940 --> 01:04:54,940
premier gold and precious metal

1585
01:04:58,560 --> 01:04:56,950
investing firms I get it you wouldn't

1586
01:05:00,660 --> 01:04:58,570
buy gold if you believed that the

1587
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,670
government is doing a great job that the

1588
01:05:03,850 --> 01:05:02,000
Fed will stop handing

1589
01:05:05,740 --> 01:05:03,860
trillions of dollars like bailout candy

1590
01:05:07,420 --> 01:05:05,750
that Social Security would be there for

1591
01:05:09,490 --> 01:05:07,430
you that's not what's happening

1592
01:05:11,530 --> 01:05:09,500
you might even pass on gold if the

1593
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:11,540
stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation

1594
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:13,730
or that the dollar wouldn't lose value

1595
01:05:18,130 --> 01:05:15,650
or that your retirement will be secured

1596
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:18,140
if all looks rosy to you then now is not

1597
01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:20,090
the time to buy gold or the realists

1598
01:05:23,710 --> 01:05:21,500
there have never been more sobering

1599
01:05:26,830 --> 01:05:23,720
reasons to diversify with gold since

1600
01:05:29,350 --> 01:05:26,840
2001 the US Dollar Index has tanked 30

1601
01:05:31,330 --> 01:05:29,360
percent while gold has risen 300 percent

1602
01:05:33,580 --> 01:05:31,340
right now savvy investors are adding

1603
01:05:35,590 --> 01:05:33,590
gold to their portfolios you should to

1604
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:35,600
find out what they know call us and I'll

1605
01:05:39,790 --> 01:05:37,250
send you 10 reasons why gold will do

1606
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:39,800
very well 3 eight hundred six eight six

1607
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:42,050
two two three seven eight hundred six

1608
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eight six two two three seven that's 800

1609
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six eight six two two three seven is

1610
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hurricane and wildfire season again five

1611
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thousands of people sit in these

1612
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reoccurring problem areas year after

1613
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year betting their lives that the

1614
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disaster won't get them hundreds of you

1615
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healthy foods direction of fifty

1616
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thousand donated meals to the Oklahoma

1617
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victims the problem is we can't help

1618
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everybody if every one of us who can

1619
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we'll take care of ourselves we can all

1620
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pitch in to take care of those who

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really can't the new Justin case pack

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from he fruits direct is the Big Brother

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to the seven day emergency pack designed

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for Oklahoma disaster donations it

1625
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contains a two-month supply for one

1626
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person or a one month supply for two

1627
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adults or a two-week supply for a family

1628
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of four the $320 price is $50 less than

1629
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retail call 849 five six 33 on the web

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1631
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1634
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slash Alex for over five years you've

1635
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been hearing about the Berkey guy so you

1636
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may know a few things about him for

1637
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example you are well aware of the

1638
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superior quality and effectiveness of

1639
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berkey water filters and accessories but

1640
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did you know the Burr Keys have had

1641
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independent lab tests done to prove just

1642
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effective they are it's true and he can

1643
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email you the test results just visit go

1644
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Berkey calm you may also know that the

1645
01:07:19,060 --> 01:07:16,970
burka guy has helped tens of thousands

1646
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of people get better prepared now here's

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something you may not know go Berkey

1648
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dot-com has amazing specials and deals

1649
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all the time on a wide variety of

1650
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survival and preparedness products most

1651
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ready to ship

1652
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same-day visit the burka guy and go

1653
01:07:36,670 --> 01:07:34,130
burqa calm and be sure to click the red

1654
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products on sale now button you can

1655
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always call toll free eight seven seven

1656
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1657
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again that's eight seven seven eight

1658
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eight six three six five three goldberg

1659
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e.com home of a burqa guy we'd like to

1660
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:54,020
hear from you if you have a comment or

1661
01:08:00,190 --> 01:07:56,510
question about the para cast sent it to

1662
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,200
news at the para cast calm that's news

1663
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at the para cast dot-com and don't

1664
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:05,150
forget to visit our famous para cast

1665
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:08,240
community forums at forum doctor para

1666
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:13,310
cast comm jan Anna's director of

1667
01:08:18,490 --> 01:08:15,680
MUFON you're on the power cast with gene

1668
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:18,500
and Chris okay Jan so we therefore

1669
01:08:24,730 --> 01:08:22,850
expect that the director can change now

1670
01:08:26,170 --> 01:08:24,740
every few years so you may take it over

1671
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:26,180
you have it now maybe in a few years

1672
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:28,850
somebody else takes over well that's a

1673
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:31,130
possibility you know I think it's a

1674
01:08:37,690 --> 01:08:34,970
three-year term and the board reelect

1675
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:37,700
the local board realize each board no to

1676
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:40,940
every three years as well so you could

1677
01:08:44,530 --> 01:08:42,410
run it as long as you really want to run

1678
01:08:46,150 --> 01:08:44,540
it you know I mean it's there's nothing

1679
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:46,160
says you only can be three years then

1680
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:48,170
you're out there's no term limits per se

1681
01:08:54,940 --> 01:08:52,730
so it's really just up to the purview of

1682
01:08:57,220 --> 01:08:54,950
the board you know the real strength is

1683
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:57,230
that we created an executive committee

1684
01:09:02,650 --> 01:08:59,600
we call it an advisory committee but of

1685
01:09:05,290 --> 01:09:02,660
the past three international directors

1686
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:05,300
so so we've got John Schuessler Dave

1687
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:08,330
McDonald and Clifford Clift who work

1688
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:11,810
with me as I need them to make sure that

1689
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:13,690
we're consistent on how we do things

1690
01:09:20,050 --> 01:09:16,640
that we follow the process that we've

1691
01:09:21,140 --> 01:09:20,060
started 45 years ago if we need to

1692
01:09:22,910 --> 01:09:21,150
change process

1693
01:09:24,919 --> 01:09:22,920
obviously need to keep up the times we

1694
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:24,929
can do that and then we have a full

1695
01:09:30,169 --> 01:09:26,880
board behind that that votes on any

1696
01:09:32,660 --> 01:09:30,179
major major changes so it's I think you

1697
01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:32,670
forgot I'm very very pleased with our

1698
01:09:36,110 --> 01:09:33,960
management team at this point in time

1699
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:36,120
okay so this is more of a committee type

1700
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:38,940
of organization so if Jan horizon-- says

1701
01:09:42,890 --> 01:09:41,250
let's do things this way he can't just

1702
01:09:44,269 --> 01:09:42,900
do them you have to go back to the board

1703
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:44,279
and discuss it with them and work out

1704
01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:46,380
something well I have latitude I mean I

1705
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:48,150
can make day-to-day decisions but if

1706
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,140
it's something major

1707
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:51,359
you know we're gonna rebrand move on or

1708
01:09:56,090 --> 01:09:53,489
you know change the logo or do something

1709
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:56,100
you know extraordinary or start a major

1710
01:10:00,979 --> 01:09:58,560
venture the board needs to know about it

1711
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:00,989
I mean we can't just make a hard left or

1712
01:10:05,780 --> 01:10:04,650
right turn but I mean I'm I do have the

1713
01:10:07,340 --> 01:10:05,790
power and authority to make day-to-day

1714
01:10:08,959 --> 01:10:07,350
decisions so if something need to get

1715
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:08,969
done for business purposes I can do that

1716
01:10:13,580 --> 01:10:11,730
but yeah I mean it's you're right it's

1717
01:10:16,100 --> 01:10:13,590
not you it's not like I can run off and

1718
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:16,110
go create my own organization or do

1719
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:19,290
major changes without getting the buy-in

1720
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:20,880
of the board and hopefully the

1721
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:22,890
membership members of being the state

1722
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:25,110
directors and the people who have a

1723
01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:27,900
vested interest in the running you'll

1724
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,270
move on okay so now that you've taken

1725
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:33,120
this position then do you see that there

1726
01:10:38,090 --> 01:10:34,980
are changes you'd like to make in the

1727
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:38,100
organization or just keep running things

1728
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:38,580
as they are

1729
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:40,679
no absolutely there's different changes

1730
01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:42,840
that need to be made we need to really

1731
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:44,580
bring move on up to the 21st century

1732
01:10:52,450 --> 01:10:49,350
quickly and so my marching words are to

1733
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:52,460
go social go mobile and go global and

1734
01:10:57,020 --> 01:10:54,780
each of those could take probably five

1735
01:10:59,209 --> 01:10:57,030
or six minutes to explain but going

1736
01:11:02,680 --> 01:10:59,219
social you know we live in a social

1737
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:02,690
media world I mean information is

1738
01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:04,770
bouncing around the world and matter

1739
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:06,540
four seconds after something happens and

1740
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:08,850
we've got to get much more on top of

1741
01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:11,520
that of that phenomenon so the first

1742
01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:14,760
major change that I'm making it's not

1743
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:16,199
really a change so much as much mostly

1744
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:19,679
an update is to create a social media

1745
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:22,650
website for our website which I'll allow

1746
01:11:26,959 --> 01:11:25,260
people to log in and be members to be

1747
01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:26,969
everything from a free membership to you

1748
01:11:30,169 --> 01:11:28,920
know full membership and everything in

1749
01:11:31,850 --> 01:11:30,179
between

1750
01:11:33,810 --> 01:11:31,860
we need to make the information much

1751
01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:33,820
more easily accessible

1752
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:35,230
to the public in terms of what's going

1753
01:11:40,979 --> 01:11:37,690
on and how its viewed I mean our current

1754
01:11:43,979 --> 01:11:40,989
website is very old and dated we need to

1755
01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:43,989
I think shake this image of the the

1756
01:11:49,470 --> 01:11:48,040
black box of ufology and we have the

1757
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:49,480
information and it is available to the

1758
01:11:53,339 --> 01:11:51,520
public today unfortunately you have to

1759
01:11:55,050 --> 01:11:53,349
go in and know which links to click and

1760
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:55,060
know which search boxes to put in and

1761
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:56,800
it's very cumbersome there needs to be

1762
01:12:02,510 --> 01:12:00,400
more easily accessible by the public and

1763
01:12:05,310 --> 01:12:02,520
by researchers and by investigators

1764
01:12:07,859 --> 01:12:05,320
particularly MUFON investigators to help

1765
01:12:09,629 --> 01:12:07,869
us pull this figure out this mystery and

1766
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:09,639
pull it all together that's going to be

1767
01:12:14,879 --> 01:12:12,510
my major thrust from a social standpoint

1768
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:14,889
also from a communication standpoint

1769
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:17,710
which is part of social we've created a

1770
01:12:24,030 --> 01:12:21,369
team called the SRB Science Review Board

1771
01:12:25,589 --> 01:12:24,040
on our very very best sightings this

1772
01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:25,599
board comes together and reviews them

1773
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:27,790
and tries to come up with answers to

1774
01:12:32,819 --> 01:12:30,340
what it might be and then research study

1775
01:12:35,609 --> 01:12:32,829
reports on things the power of this is

1776
01:12:39,169 --> 01:12:35,619
you have multiple scientific minds

1777
01:12:42,209 --> 01:12:39,179
looking at the same sighting report or

1778
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:42,219
perhaps someone's you know what they're

1779
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:43,780
putting forth dad's being truth and

1780
01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:45,610
being able to analyze it and figure out

1781
01:12:50,879 --> 01:12:48,040
what what look what it is and what it

1782
01:12:54,270 --> 01:12:50,889
isn't and as part of that process we

1783
01:12:56,580 --> 01:12:54,280
have a monthly review of all the

1784
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:56,590
completed sighting reports from the last

1785
01:13:02,850 --> 01:13:00,159
90 days where we have a small team

1786
01:13:04,350 --> 01:13:02,860
including our director of actually our

1787
01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:04,360
star team manager our director of

1788
01:13:09,899 --> 01:13:07,060
research Robert Powell who had to team

1789
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:09,909
up myself and a another individual who

1790
01:13:14,970 --> 01:13:13,210
go through these reports and literally

1791
01:13:19,109 --> 01:13:14,980
crawl through them and determine what

1792
01:13:22,589 --> 01:13:19,119
the best reports are for that month not

1793
01:13:25,649 --> 01:13:22,599
every report that comes in is viable

1794
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:25,659
what most I would say a good 75% of our

1795
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:28,750
reports clearly are IFOS I mean if you

1796
01:13:32,910 --> 01:13:30,130
go on many of these websites where they

1797
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:32,920
have one-liners and you read them very

1798
01:13:39,149 --> 01:13:35,679
quickly you can weed out shooting stars

1799
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,159
you know the meteorites the airplanes

1800
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:41,440
the planets just by reading the

1801
01:13:46,799 --> 01:13:44,110
description the difference on the MUFON

1802
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:46,809
website is that we collect lots of data

1803
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:47,600
way more

1804
01:13:52,300 --> 01:13:50,570
and lots more verbage on the actual

1805
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:52,310
sighting event so we have a twenty five

1806
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:54,800
word summary which we allow the witness

1807
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:56,450
to put in but we also let allow them to

1808
01:13:59,320 --> 01:13:57,770
write as much as they want some of them

1809
01:14:01,750 --> 01:13:59,330
filled with pages worth of information

1810
01:14:03,550 --> 01:14:01,760
on their sighting report so we would

1811
01:14:05,770 --> 01:14:03,560
ELO's down to what we call the sighting

1812
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:05,780
of sightings of interest and then we

1813
01:14:11,290 --> 01:14:07,970
crawl through those we would get music

1814
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:11,300
ten to twenty twenty five a month and we

1815
01:14:15,490 --> 01:14:13,280
will Lowe's down to the significant two

1816
01:14:17,260 --> 01:14:15,500
or three and those two three go into a

1817
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:17,270
bucket and then at the end of the year

1818
01:14:21,970 --> 01:14:20,210
we turn those over to the science review

1819
01:14:24,190 --> 01:14:21,980
board and they choose the top ten

1820
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:24,200
reports so for the first time we just

1821
01:14:29,500 --> 01:14:27,130
published the top ten of sightings for

1822
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:29,510
2012 and our intent is to do this every

1823
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:31,310
year we're gonna probably put a little

1824
01:14:34,420 --> 01:14:33,110
more analytics into it in terms of all

1825
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:34,430
of the sighting reports because we get

1826
01:14:39,220 --> 01:14:36,800
between five and ten thousand reports a

1827
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:39,230
year we're getting between 500 and 1,000

1828
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:40,850
a month last month we have ninety nine

1829
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:43,040
hundred twenty seven reports which is at

1830
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:45,410
the ton I think people forget we're a

1831
01:14:49,210 --> 01:14:47,810
completely volunteer organization so we

1832
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:49,220
depend on volunteers to be able to go

1833
01:14:53,770 --> 01:14:52,400
out and talk to these witnesses go on

1834
01:14:56,650 --> 01:14:53,780
the internet and try to figure out what

1835
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:56,660
they might have seen go out on-site take

1836
01:14:59,950 --> 01:14:58,010
soil samples or whatever needs to be

1837
01:15:01,930 --> 01:14:59,960
done depending on the setting itself and

1838
01:15:03,670 --> 01:15:01,940
there's a whole process for that but we

1839
01:15:05,050 --> 01:15:03,680
really are trying to get down to the

1840
01:15:09,580 --> 01:15:05,060
significant few and I know what I'd like

1841
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:09,590
to do is publicize those too much in the

1842
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,410
past reports keep coming out there is

1843
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:14,960
OSI fos IFOS and I can tell you from

1844
01:15:19,660 --> 01:15:16,730
having been a MUFON field investigator

1845
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:19,670
if I had never seen a UFO I'm not sure

1846
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:21,170
I'd still be in the business because

1847
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:22,970
most of the reports you get our lights

1848
01:15:28,150 --> 01:15:25,250
in the sky or very mundane things you

1849
01:15:30,910 --> 01:15:28,160
know balloons planets you know people

1850
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:30,920
swear they saw a landing craft hovering

1851
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:32,330
there but when you really go out just

1852
01:15:35,670 --> 01:15:34,010
stare at it you're looking at the planet

1853
01:15:37,780 --> 01:15:35,680
Saturn you know or you're looking at

1854
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:37,790
Venus you know on a hot summer night

1855
01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:40,850
with this atmosphere scintillating and

1856
01:15:45,220 --> 01:15:42,980
the lights in the lydian it looks very

1857
01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:45,230
very strange and was very interesting

1858
01:15:48,730 --> 01:15:47,420
but it's not well you follow it's I'm

1859
01:15:52,210 --> 01:15:48,740
going to show you a photo people but if

1860
01:15:54,190 --> 01:15:52,220
it's just you know a planet so let you

1861
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:54,200
read all those out and you get down to

1862
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:55,610
the significant few and there's some

1863
01:16:00,250 --> 01:15:58,130
very very good sighting reports well

1864
01:16:01,190 --> 01:16:00,260
John this quiz here one of the things

1865
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:01,200
that has come up

1866
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:04,980
over the last few years is complaints

1867
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,100
about the membership not having as much

1868
01:16:13,580 --> 01:16:11,280
say in the actual process of deciding on

1869
01:16:15,610 --> 01:16:13,590
who's on the board for instance and are

1870
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there any plans to change the actual

1871
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organizational structure and giving the

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rank-and-file a little bit more

1873
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involvement picking it picking and

1874
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choosing and possibly electing officials

1875
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before we have an answer we got to our

1876
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break and then we'll have a complete

1877
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answer from Jan horizon-- of MUFON with

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are you tired of searching for a great

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talk radio company more important search

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does not use any database you get full

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graphic converter and a powerful browser

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could use it for slideshows you could

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use it to import images from digital

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cameras or from scanners need to do some

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ever been treated unfairly by someone

1934
01:19:00,180 --> 01:18:58,030
have you ever been overcharged for

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repair have you ever signed a contract

1936
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or a document worried about identity

1937
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theft how many times have you been in

1938
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those unique situations where you just

1939
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:07,990
wanted to call an attorney to find out

1940
01:19:11,730 --> 01:19:10,000
if you're right or wrong or what your

1941
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legal rights are but every time you

1942
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think about calling an attorney what do

1943
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you think about first that's right who

1944
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do you call and how much will it cost

1945
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our friends at Legal Shield have found a

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experience legal shields law firms take

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over forty thousand calls per week

1950
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helping their members for less than $20

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per month you can have access to legal

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the traumatic let legal shield stand up

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1957
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eight fifty five three four zero seventy

1958
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two eighty three every time you eat a

1959
01:19:53,550 --> 01:19:51,910
cooked food your body responds by

1960
01:19:54,450 --> 01:19:53,560
producing an increase in circulating

1961
01:19:56,430 --> 01:19:54,460
white blood cells

1962
01:19:58,740 --> 01:19:56,440
this happens because nature designed us

1963
01:20:00,990 --> 01:19:58,750
to eat food that is undamaged at the

1964
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:01,000
molecular level when we heat food to

1965
01:20:04,530 --> 01:20:02,770
normal cooking temperatures we change

1966
01:20:06,930 --> 01:20:04,540
the shape of the molecules into shapes

1967
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:06,940
the body cannot use the body now looks

1968
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:09,520
at them as toxins and allergens in an

1969
01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:10,930
effort to protect itself from this

1970
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,670
irritant the body intelligently

1971
01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:14,320
increases the amount of circulating

1972
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:16,020
white blood cells to act

1973
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:17,730
garbage collectors the white blood cells

1974
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:19,860
gobble up all the unusable damaged food

1975
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particles to neutralize their cell

1976
01:20:25,580 --> 01:20:23,550
damaging properties this puts stress on

1977
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:25,590
your organs of elimination and your body

1978
01:20:28,970 --> 01:20:26,970
is subject to cell damage and

1979
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:28,980
inflammation if you'd like to start

1980
01:20:33,710 --> 01:20:30,930
experiencing the benefits of undamaged

1981
01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:33,720
protein in your diet give one world way

1982
01:20:38,210 --> 01:20:36,270
a try it is a truly undamaged protein

1983
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powder that will thrill your tastes and

1984
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:40,500
every cell of your body call eight eight

1985
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:42,330
eight nine eight eight three three two

1986
01:20:46,670 --> 01:20:44,070
five that's eight eight eight nine eight

1987
01:20:47,180 --> 01:20:46,680
eight three three two five or visit one

1988
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:47,190
world

1989
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WHU ey com

1990
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,810
[Music]

1991
01:20:59,820 --> 01:20:58,000
this is the wrong player co-author of

1992
01:21:06,870 --> 01:20:59,830
the UFO on Cyclopes and other books

1993
01:21:08,610 --> 01:21:06,880
you're listening to the parrot cat with

1994
01:21:11,580 --> 01:21:08,620
Gene and Chris in the power cast a

1995
01:21:14,370 --> 01:21:11,590
question about more member participation

1996
01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:14,380
and the things that MUFON does of the

1997
01:21:18,270 --> 01:21:16,390
director Jan horizon-- what's your

1998
01:21:20,610 --> 01:21:18,280
response well the way members can

1999
01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:20,620
participate in mouflon is very much like

2000
01:21:23,940 --> 01:21:22,360
I did they can start off as a field them

2001
01:21:26,490 --> 01:21:23,950
they can just become a member become a

2002
01:21:29,190 --> 01:21:26,500
journal subscriber we have a electronic

2003
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:29,200
journal first I think $35 a month we

2004
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:31,570
have a hardcopy journal which is the

2005
01:21:37,050 --> 01:21:34,450
same journal for $50 a year rather than

2006
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:37,060
apologize per year and then if they'd

2007
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:38,410
like to get more involved they can

2008
01:21:42,210 --> 01:21:39,730
become a field investigator and get

2009
01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:42,220
involved in the in their state or our

2010
01:21:46,830 --> 01:21:45,070
country where they reside in terms of

2011
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:46,840
handling these reports that come in I

2012
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:48,490
mentioned we did between 500 and a

2013
01:21:53,010 --> 01:21:51,370
thousand they become part of our case

2014
01:21:55,890 --> 01:21:53,020
management system and the opportunity to

2015
01:21:57,450 --> 01:21:55,900
work actual cases and be hands-on they

2016
01:22:00,090 --> 01:21:57,460
can attend anyone can attend our

2017
01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:00,100
symposiums and meet with the board or

2018
01:22:03,930 --> 01:22:02,110
with the various members of various

2019
01:22:07,950 --> 01:22:03,940
state directors so there's lots of ways

2020
01:22:10,650 --> 01:22:07,960
to get involved and influence you know

2021
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:10,660
how old things work I mean it's I mean I

2022
01:22:13,890 --> 01:22:12,400
don't think we'll ever have a what's

2023
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:13,900
what the world vote on who should be

2024
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:15,730
this or that because then it turns into

2025
01:22:20,220 --> 01:22:18,160
a popularity contest and I think we have

2026
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:20,230
a very very strong board with very good

2027
01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:22,930
credentials who look over MUFON and I

2028
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:24,670
think that's really the right way to run

2029
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:26,440
the organization but you can work your

2030
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:28,480
way up I'm gonna become a state section

2031
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:31,570
director maybe a county or to work your

2032
01:22:35,340 --> 01:22:33,610
way up to state director and then

2033
01:22:37,890 --> 01:22:35,350
eventually work your way onto the board

2034
01:22:39,330 --> 01:22:37,900
and in the national director I mean this

2035
01:22:41,250 --> 01:22:39,340
is that's what that's the path that I

2036
01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:41,260
took I mean realized that 20 years ago

2037
01:22:48,090 --> 01:22:44,980
25 years ago I was standing in the foyer

2038
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:48,100
of the Hyatt at the holodecks Airport

2039
01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:51,760
just bathing in ufology and all of the

2040
01:22:56,100 --> 01:22:53,310
speakers many of which are still around

2041
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:56,110
and today I'm the executive director for

2042
01:23:00,150 --> 01:22:57,850
MUFON I mean I think that's a path

2043
01:23:00,810 --> 01:23:00,160
anyone could take yeah yeah that's a

2044
01:23:02,850 --> 01:23:00,820
good point

2045
01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:02,860
one one thing that's also come up a lot

2046
01:23:08,340 --> 01:23:06,430
as a subject on the para cast and when

2047
01:23:09,660 --> 01:23:08,350
we look at the future of ufology now you

2048
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:09,670
mentioned

2049
01:23:15,540 --> 01:23:13,090
about streamlining and becoming more

2050
01:23:17,070 --> 01:23:15,550
involved in the social network explosion

2051
01:23:18,930 --> 01:23:17,080
I have a question from one of our

2052
01:23:21,330 --> 01:23:18,940
longtime posters a very very active

2053
01:23:23,190 --> 01:23:21,340
participant at forum dr. Peric ascom you

2054
01:23:25,710 --> 01:23:23,200
follow gee he's one of our Canadian

2055
01:23:27,810 --> 01:23:25,720
listeners and very active forum member

2056
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,820
and he has a whole bunch of questions

2057
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:29,920
here but one of them I think is

2058
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:32,170
important in it and it kind of gets to

2059
01:23:36,630 --> 01:23:34,570
the to the point of a future vision here

2060
01:23:39,090 --> 01:23:36,640
what efforts are you guys making their

2061
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:39,100
move on now so you get young people more

2062
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:41,890
involved in ufology it's come up here at

2063
01:23:46,050 --> 01:23:43,600
the pear test a lot the future of

2064
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:46,060
ufology and you mentioned you're going

2065
01:23:50,730 --> 01:23:48,910
to be getting more involved in getting

2066
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:50,740
move on more involved in social media

2067
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:52,810
that's going to help attract I think a

2068
01:23:58,830 --> 01:23:56,650
younger younger generation to the UFO

2069
01:24:01,680 --> 01:23:58,840
subject so what other plans do you have

2070
01:24:03,900 --> 01:24:01,690
for MUFON to attract younger members

2071
01:24:06,660 --> 01:24:03,910
well I'm hoping that this new social

2072
01:24:09,630 --> 01:24:06,670
website will be a big boon to them I

2073
01:24:12,090 --> 01:24:09,640
mean kids today are all about social

2074
01:24:13,620 --> 01:24:12,100
media I mean if you see any kids they

2075
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:13,630
even when there's five of them together

2076
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:15,010
they're all staring at the phone what I

2077
01:24:17,370 --> 01:24:16,570
find fascinating is they're standing

2078
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:17,380
there with each other but they're

2079
01:24:20,580 --> 01:24:18,330
staring at their phones and

2080
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:20,590
instagramming each other and facebooking

2081
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:22,750
each other and and just that's how

2082
01:24:26,970 --> 01:24:24,910
things get done today with with the kids

2083
01:24:29,490 --> 01:24:26,980
of this current generation so we need to

2084
01:24:32,010 --> 01:24:29,500
be able to be where they are and to be

2085
01:24:35,460 --> 01:24:32,020
live on social media whether it be

2086
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:35,470
Facebook Twitter Instagram those are all

2087
01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:39,130
things that here too now we've used very

2088
01:24:43,410 --> 01:24:41,320
limited from a MUFON standpoint and

2089
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:43,420
we're hoping to make them a mainstay of

2090
01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:45,850
what now we move information around

2091
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:47,830
between people now it's interesting you

2092
01:24:52,140 --> 01:24:49,600
usually get above the 30 crowd or maybe

2093
01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:52,150
40 or 50 crowd which we have quite a few

2094
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:54,760
members over 50 you know people aren't

2095
01:24:58,140 --> 01:24:56,650
quite a social media savvy that's not

2096
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:58,150
something they do we even have members

2097
01:25:02,670 --> 01:25:01,120
in their 80s who don't even use email so

2098
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:02,680
you have to figure out how you reach all

2099
01:25:08,850 --> 01:25:05,770
these different strata of subscribers

2100
01:25:11,010 --> 01:25:08,860
and members and people now to be a field

2101
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:11,020
investigator to be a state director you

2102
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:13,450
have to be at least on email and you

2103
01:25:17,490 --> 01:25:15,610
have to have a computer because you just

2104
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:17,500
can't get your job done without it but

2105
01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:20,050
the youth market is a target market for

2106
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:21,310
us it's something that's very important

2107
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:22,960
I think we could also reach them

2108
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:25,090
some of our merchandise we're looking at

2109
01:25:30,090 --> 01:25:27,250
revamping the entire mufon merchandise

2110
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:30,100
line they love cool shirts t-shirts and

2111
01:25:35,220 --> 01:25:32,410
things like that get him involved as

2112
01:25:37,530 --> 01:25:35,230
volunteers helping out with sighting

2113
01:25:39,930 --> 01:25:37,540
reports becoming field investigators got

2114
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:39,940
a call from a young lady just two days

2115
01:25:44,670 --> 01:25:43,450
ago from the University of Laverne here

2116
01:25:46,380 --> 01:25:44,680
in Southern California she was

2117
01:25:49,740 --> 01:25:46,390
interested in doing an internship with

2118
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:49,750
MUFON there are people out there young

2119
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:51,520
people who who definitely want to be

2120
01:25:55,410 --> 01:25:53,920
involved and are getting involved so we

2121
01:25:56,850 --> 01:25:55,420
just need to reach out and meet them

2122
01:26:00,240 --> 01:25:56,860
where they are and I believe that's in

2123
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:00,250
the social media space okay and I you

2124
01:26:02,940 --> 01:26:01,690
know I wish you luck on that because I

2125
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,950
think that's the future of the

2126
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:04,480
organization as you mentioned there's a

2127
01:26:08,910 --> 01:26:06,730
lot of older folks that are in MUFON and

2128
01:26:11,130 --> 01:26:08,920
it's the younger generation that's going

2129
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,140
to keep it going we have a number of

2130
01:26:16,710 --> 01:26:13,360
questions here Jan about the last few

2131
01:26:19,140 --> 01:26:16,720
years the MUFON symposium has seemed to

2132
01:26:21,660 --> 01:26:19,150
some people to kind of see it's been

2133
01:26:24,030 --> 01:26:21,670
varied away from you know the scientific

2134
01:26:26,730 --> 01:26:24,040
investigation of UFOs and a question

2135
01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:26,740
here from one of our later signups from

2136
01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:28,450
this month that formed out the para cast

2137
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:32,500
com steve is Alinsky says I was a member

2138
01:26:36,780 --> 01:26:34,690
of MUFON for a year back in the 70s I

2139
01:26:38,340 --> 01:26:36,790
ended my association with it

2140
01:26:40,110 --> 01:26:38,350
because of all the crackpots and

2141
01:26:42,660 --> 01:26:40,120
cultists who have caused so much damage

2142
01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:42,670
to serious scientific in scholarly UFO

2143
01:26:48,450 --> 01:26:45,940
research and he's again this was his

2144
01:26:51,210 --> 01:26:48,460
question having cult leader Steven Greer

2145
01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:51,220
speak at your July convention does not

2146
01:26:55,650 --> 01:26:53,860
bring credibility to move on your

2147
01:26:58,260 --> 01:26:55,660
information outside magazine published

2148
01:27:00,720 --> 01:26:58,270
an extensive expose on Greer and we know

2149
01:27:02,670 --> 01:27:00,730
he's very controversial and he also does

2150
01:27:05,670 --> 01:27:02,680
put a lot of Fannie's in the seats too

2151
01:27:08,150 --> 01:27:05,680
but where'd you come down on getting

2152
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:08,160
really controversial people that have

2153
01:27:14,250 --> 01:27:11,650
that seem to be you know this farm

2154
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:14,260
almost a cult figure like like a Greer

2155
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:15,970
what do you think about having them

2156
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:19,120
being featured at this imposing him well

2157
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:21,370
let me let me just say on the 2013

2158
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:23,110
symposium which is one of her most

2159
01:27:27,930 --> 01:27:26,080
wildly successful ever we had over 700

2160
01:27:32,460 --> 01:27:27,940
people in attendance over the three-day

2161
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,470
four-day event we had I think ten or

2162
01:27:36,549 --> 01:27:34,960
eleven very very good I think it's seven

2163
01:27:38,770 --> 01:27:36,559
phd's out of her entire

2164
01:27:43,629 --> 01:27:38,780
in Kiev as well as of course at MD which

2165
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:43,639
is dr. Greer and a masters and you know

2166
01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:45,650
the speakers without question were all

2167
01:27:50,859 --> 01:27:47,630
just outstanding Ted Peters there's a

2168
01:27:53,379 --> 01:27:50,869
theologian out of Berkeley we had Al

2169
01:27:57,970 --> 01:27:53,389
Harrison who's a former retired

2170
01:28:00,459 --> 01:27:57,980
professor from UC Davis in sociology we

2171
01:28:02,169 --> 01:28:00,469
had dr. David Jacobs who of course the

2172
01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:02,179
history professor out of Temple also

2173
01:28:07,899 --> 01:28:06,289
retired its we had quite a if you go on

2174
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:07,909
and look at the website

2175
01:28:12,279 --> 01:28:10,159
MUFON symposium com I think it's

2176
01:28:13,209 --> 01:28:12,289
probably one of the best speaking - we

2177
01:28:16,899 --> 01:28:13,219
had in years

2178
01:28:18,819 --> 01:28:16,909
now specific to Steven Greer what we

2179
01:28:22,270 --> 01:28:18,829
could ask Steven to do was to come in

2180
01:28:25,689 --> 01:28:22,280
and give us a scientific view of the DNA

2181
01:28:28,270 --> 01:28:25,699
evidence for the atacama humanoid okay

2182
01:28:31,569 --> 01:28:28,280
but aren't you aware here dr. Greer

2183
01:28:35,410 --> 01:28:31,579
brings a lot of baggage to what he does

2184
01:28:37,899 --> 01:28:35,420
and he's very controversial and there

2185
01:28:40,299 --> 01:28:37,909
are very severe questions about things

2186
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:40,309
that he's doing there's a recent expose

2187
01:28:45,310 --> 01:28:42,530
report that of people who've worked with

2188
01:28:47,310 --> 01:28:45,320
him have left his organization under the

2189
01:28:50,109 --> 01:28:47,320
cloud of financial and proprieties

2190
01:28:53,260 --> 01:28:50,119
possible steroid use you've heard about

2191
01:28:55,629 --> 01:28:53,270
this amateur I've seen the the posts on

2192
01:28:57,399 --> 01:28:55,639
the internet but then you know they're

2193
01:28:59,229 --> 01:28:57,409
just internet post right but this is

2194
01:29:02,229 --> 01:28:59,239
going on for years I mean we've had him

2195
01:29:04,899 --> 01:29:02,239
on the show in the past and it seemed to

2196
01:29:07,299 --> 01:29:04,909
me like he wanted to be promoting Steven

2197
01:29:09,819 --> 01:29:07,309
Greer as opposed to solving UFOs also we

2198
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:09,829
have see SETI this organization where

2199
01:29:13,810 --> 01:29:11,840
people have to spend hundreds or

2200
01:29:17,500 --> 01:29:13,820
thousands of dollars to go with him on a

2201
01:29:19,569 --> 01:29:17,510
trip to get in touch with et flag down a

2202
01:29:21,459 --> 01:29:19,579
flying saucer of course they have to

2203
01:29:24,910 --> 01:29:21,469
sign an NDA they can't tell anyone about

2204
01:29:27,939 --> 01:29:24,920
it you know I'm just saying here is does

2205
01:29:31,959 --> 01:29:27,949
someone like that really bring

2206
01:29:35,109 --> 01:29:31,969
credibility to MUFON well here's what I

2207
01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:35,119
know about dr. Greer steven has had his

2208
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:37,190
own experiences he wrote a book if you

2209
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:39,110
read it it takes you through his

2210
01:29:45,129 --> 01:29:40,880
experiences that he's had personally

2211
01:29:48,370 --> 01:29:45,139
with this subject he is 100% dedicated

2212
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:48,380
to solving the issue although his belief

2213
01:29:51,180 --> 01:29:49,840
is that it's already solved that

2214
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:51,190
these are extraterrestrials and are

2215
01:29:56,010 --> 01:29:54,400
using interdimensional physics to to do

2216
01:29:59,670 --> 01:29:56,020
what they do

2217
01:30:03,120 --> 01:29:59,680
he's just trying to leapfrog the process

2218
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:03,130
and go directly to you know our visitors

2219
01:30:05,970 --> 01:30:04,960
and and saying why do we need to go

2220
01:30:08,010 --> 01:30:05,980
through the government why don't we need

2221
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:08,020
do this so I salute him for that I mean

2222
01:30:12,630 --> 01:30:10,690
that's that's a very novel approach I

2223
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:12,640
think too many of us are looking on this

2224
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:14,320
planet for someone of higher authority

2225
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:16,570
to bless us and tell us that these

2226
01:30:21,060 --> 01:30:18,730
things exist why we know they exist

2227
01:30:24,450 --> 01:30:21,070
we're seeing him daily yeah I get

2228
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:24,460
reports coming in all day long with

2229
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:25,810
people who've seen these crafts we know

2230
01:30:33,390 --> 01:30:29,410
they're we know they're there so he is

2231
01:30:36,090 --> 01:30:33,400
his focus isn't in the right place there

2232
01:30:38,250 --> 01:30:36,100
now I know people have a hard time with

2233
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his personality and with his is maybe

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the style and Jeezy and Radio Network

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providing the world with hard-hitting

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talk radio G C and great talk radio

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starts here

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first game attack of the rockets and it

2239
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was a critically acclaimed success and

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now there's the coming of the protectors

2241
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a former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

2245
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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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more at Rocko it's calm that's rock oh

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it's our Ock Oh like D s calm so here's

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what happened I was placing an order

2252
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online the site went down it just

2253
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stopped responding it took hours before

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it returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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goes down you could lose business and if

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you have a business or personal site

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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

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it will stay online at iWeb your site is

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hosted on one of the most reliable

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networks in the world check it out

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I web comm that's iWeb calm

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ceramic body armor is rated to stop six

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hits but what about the seventh

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unlike ceramic or Kevlar infidel body

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armor is proven to take hit after hit

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and it just won't quit

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smart civilian prepper infidel stops

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high-powered rifles that means safety

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and peace of mind buy yours at infidel

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body armour comm spelled INF I de L body

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armor comm infidel body armor just won't

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quit you are now in the crosshairs the

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NSA and FBI are treating you like a

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criminal and monitoring your every move

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Ron Paul said recently the evidence of

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the totalitarian nature of this

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government is on display undeniably

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every day what's taking place right now

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is a coup and the destruction of the

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Constitution fortunately there is

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something you can do about it learn how

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to be invisible lock down your privacy

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and even disappear forever go to privacy

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lockdown calm to learn how that's

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Wallach who is anything but your typical

2317
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doctor both a veterinarian and a

2318
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naturopathic physician doc asks why is

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01:34:01,060 --> 01:33:58,280
this country spending more money on

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health care by far and ranking 50th and

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believes that people should

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power themselves with a basic

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of their life and attaining optimal

2326
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health and longevity through nutrition

2327
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not by toxic pharmaceutical drugs that

2328
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lead to side effects that require more

2329
01:34:17,590 --> 01:34:16,250
expensive and toxic pharmaceutical drugs

2330
01:34:19,810 --> 01:34:17,600
talk about being dependent on drug

2331
01:34:22,180 --> 01:34:19,820
companies to our own destruction no less

2332
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:22,190
this is clearly a deadly recipe

2333
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:23,690
wallets message is resonating with an

2334
01:34:26,740 --> 01:34:25,010
increasing number of Americans who are

2335
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waking up to all the government and big

2336
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:28,460
pharma manipulation of our health and

2337
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:30,110
health care system I like what doc

2338
01:34:33,130 --> 01:34:31,730
Wallach is saying and doing to enlighten

2339
01:34:35,170 --> 01:34:33,140
people about health care and I've joined

2340
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:35,180
forces with him to help this tireless

2341
01:34:39,190 --> 01:34:37,010
crusader spread its message visit bright

2342
01:34:41,380 --> 01:34:39,200
side bend calm and listen to dr. Wallach

2343
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:41,390
steadly recipe lectures it makes a lot

2344
01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:43,250
of sense and I invite you to join our

2345
01:34:50,890 --> 01:34:45,110
bright side Benteen go to bright side

2346
01:34:52,540 --> 01:34:50,900
been calm that's w WS I been calm hello

2347
01:34:55,540 --> 01:34:52,550
this is John Burroughs one of the

2348
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:55,550
witnesses to the Rendlesham UFO incident

2349
01:35:07,050 --> 01:34:57,770
you're listening to the podcast the gold

2350
01:35:11,850 --> 01:35:10,000
we could go back and forth about dr.

2351
01:35:14,110 --> 01:35:11,860
Greer but understand I think the

2352
01:35:16,810 --> 01:35:14,120
controversial nature about what he says

2353
01:35:18,250 --> 01:35:16,820
and about his evidence so-called oh

2354
01:35:20,740 --> 01:35:18,260
absolutely absolutely because let me

2355
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:20,750
just leave you with this one after he

2356
01:35:28,180 --> 01:35:23,840
spoke at the symposium I had three

2357
01:35:29,710 --> 01:35:28,190
different detractors come up to me and I

2358
01:35:31,540 --> 01:35:29,720
won't mention their names on the air but

2359
01:35:33,790 --> 01:35:31,550
these are very significant people and

2360
01:35:35,950 --> 01:35:33,800
tell me that they were very impressed

2361
01:35:38,710 --> 01:35:35,960
with his presentation and were blown

2362
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:38,720
away with what he had shared and where

2363
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:41,090
he was headed and basically apologized

2364
01:35:45,550 --> 01:35:43,250
to me for having written scathing notes

2365
01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:45,560
about why he was on the agenda so I

2366
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:46,910
would encourage anyone who's got a

2367
01:35:50,050 --> 01:35:48,170
problem with it but maybe they should

2368
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:50,060
open up their mind and go watch the DVD

2369
01:35:53,710 --> 01:35:52,250
and hear what he presented because it

2370
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:53,720
was quite fascinating it was very

2371
01:35:56,770 --> 01:35:55,280
scientific and that's what Milan is

2372
01:35:59,380 --> 01:35:56,780
about we're about the scientific study

2373
01:36:00,730 --> 01:35:59,390
of UFOs for the benefit of humanity sure

2374
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:00,740
I understand your point of view I just

2375
01:36:05,740 --> 01:36:03,440
think all this baggage he carries with

2376
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:05,750
him even if he's doing some real good

2377
01:36:11,740 --> 01:36:09,530
work that baggage has to hurt because as

2378
01:36:14,290 --> 01:36:11,750
you know when you get people like that

2379
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:14,300
and they come up with for conventions

2380
01:36:19,900 --> 01:36:17,570
the media that's already maybe somewhat

2381
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:19,910
predisposed not to take UFO seriously

2382
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:23,410
we'll go after him or paula Harris and

2383
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:25,610
denigrate the entire event even though

2384
01:36:29,650 --> 01:36:27,170
you've got great speakers and great

2385
01:36:31,150 --> 01:36:29,660
evidence and that's the point I think

2386
01:36:33,250 --> 01:36:31,160
Chris and I are trying to make it you

2387
01:36:36,190 --> 01:36:33,260
got to be careful about that and maybe

2388
01:36:38,410 --> 01:36:36,200
it's being politically correct but maybe

2389
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:38,420
you have to be overly politically

2390
01:36:42,730 --> 01:36:40,850
correct to get UFOs accepted more Chris

2391
01:36:44,050 --> 01:36:42,740
you got more questions now it's you

2392
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:44,060
mentioned gene that leads me right to a

2393
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:45,530
perfect question from another one of our

2394
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:47,810
recent signups that formed off the Paris

2395
01:36:53,350 --> 01:36:51,410
cask on Pierre Jan in your opinion of

2396
01:36:55,930 --> 01:36:53,360
what needs to be done in order to bring

2397
01:36:58,570 --> 01:36:55,940
ufology to the point of being taken

2398
01:37:00,130 --> 01:36:58,580
seriously by mainstream media there have

2399
01:37:02,170 --> 01:37:00,140
been so many efforts in the last 50

2400
01:37:05,530 --> 01:37:02,180
years but but very little progress and

2401
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:05,540
do you see this trend continuing or do

2402
01:37:10,810 --> 01:37:08,000
perhaps foresee some sort of significant

2403
01:37:12,250 --> 01:37:10,820
breakthrough as a buzz as it relates to

2404
01:37:14,140 --> 01:37:12,260
media coverage and the media's

2405
01:37:16,750 --> 01:37:14,150
acceptance of the subject well I think

2406
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,760
that's a very good point I mean whenever

2407
01:37:19,930 --> 01:37:18,560
I'm contacted by the media the first

2408
01:37:20,740 --> 01:37:19,940
question I always ask them is you know

2409
01:37:22,990 --> 01:37:20,750
what

2410
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:23,000
the angle of your report now first

2411
01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:24,560
question is what do you know about the

2412
01:37:28,690 --> 01:37:26,450
subject and invariably there's a long

2413
01:37:32,050 --> 01:37:28,700
pause at the end of the phone and the

2414
01:37:33,670 --> 01:37:32,060
reporter or writer has absolutely no

2415
01:37:35,650 --> 01:37:33,680
history they've just been told by their

2416
01:37:40,210 --> 01:37:35,660
editor go to a story on MUFON or go do a

2417
01:37:42,430 --> 01:37:40,220
story on UFOs and off they go um I've

2418
01:37:44,860 --> 01:37:42,440
actually had TV cameramen from the news

2419
01:37:48,910 --> 01:37:44,870
patient show up at my local meeting in

2420
01:37:50,740 --> 01:37:48,920
Orange County and want to do a piece on

2421
01:37:53,770 --> 01:37:50,750
what we do it on there with the speakers

2422
01:37:55,210 --> 01:37:53,780
and first thing I do is I introduce them

2423
01:37:57,010 --> 01:37:55,220
to all the PhDs that are at the meeting

2424
01:37:59,500 --> 01:37:57,020
and then I introduce and all the

2425
01:38:01,930 --> 01:37:59,510
aerospace workers who come and listen to

2426
01:38:03,790 --> 01:38:01,940
the speakers and then I have you know

2427
01:38:06,010 --> 01:38:03,800
interview dr. Bob wood you know who's

2428
01:38:07,690 --> 01:38:06,020
the physicist from 43 years of McDonnell

2429
01:38:09,970 --> 01:38:07,700
Douglas right when they get done with

2430
01:38:12,970 --> 01:38:09,980
all that their eyes are like big as

2431
01:38:14,530 --> 01:38:12,980
saucers and these guys actually did a

2432
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:14,540
whole expose they had me standing up on

2433
01:38:17,650 --> 01:38:16,130
top of a rock you know shooting me with

2434
01:38:20,260 --> 01:38:17,660
the moon in the background I'm thinking

2435
01:38:22,410 --> 01:38:20,270
oh this gonna turn out well well that

2436
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:22,420
piece because we did such a great job of

2437
01:38:26,890 --> 01:38:25,250
taking him through and educating him on

2438
01:38:29,710 --> 01:38:26,900
the topic and introducing into

2439
01:38:31,780 --> 01:38:29,720
intelligent scientists and having a

2440
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:31,790
interview and realized this is not a

2441
01:38:37,900 --> 01:38:34,850
joke he never got aired and like

2442
01:38:41,050 --> 01:38:37,910
thanking us my take is that the the

2443
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:41,060
editor of the news station who sent him

2444
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:42,590
up there to do this story we're down

2445
01:38:48,190 --> 01:38:44,570
here to the story because of that about

2446
01:38:49,540 --> 01:38:48,200
Los Angeles that they came was looking

2447
01:38:52,150 --> 01:38:49,550
for more of a funny piece that he could

2448
01:38:53,860 --> 01:38:52,160
put on the news and since it didn't turn

2449
01:38:57,730 --> 01:38:53,870
out to be a funny piece they just

2450
01:39:00,880 --> 01:38:57,740
scrapped it no man didn't fit the meme

2451
01:39:02,620 --> 01:39:00,890
of what they were trying a person is the

2452
01:39:04,510 --> 01:39:02,630
last actor you know let's let's go show

2453
01:39:06,850 --> 01:39:04,520
these crazy people who go talk about

2454
01:39:08,740 --> 01:39:06,860
UFOs you know many realize that there's

2455
01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:08,750
intelligent people sitting there and

2456
01:39:14,110 --> 01:39:11,840
intelligent people speaking and it

2457
01:39:15,670 --> 01:39:14,120
doesn't play to their story so you know

2458
01:39:17,230 --> 01:39:15,680
how do we get the media more involved

2459
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:17,240
well here's how I think we do it and

2460
01:39:22,420 --> 01:39:19,370
this is what we're doing is what MUFON

2461
01:39:25,150 --> 01:39:22,430
is doing um every month we sit down and

2462
01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:25,160
we go through the hundreds of reports

2463
01:39:30,370 --> 01:39:26,510
that have come in to us for that month

2464
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:30,380
and we winnow it down to the ten twenty

2465
01:39:34,540 --> 01:39:32,930
thirty that are of the best cases of

2466
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:34,550
interest we call cases of interest

2467
01:39:39,250 --> 01:39:38,000
and then we take those twenty ten twenty

2468
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:39,260
thirty whatever ends up being every

2469
01:39:44,170 --> 01:39:40,370
month since little bit different because

2470
01:39:45,730 --> 01:39:44,180
it doesn't run equally every month we

2471
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:45,740
Whittle it down to the two or three we

2472
01:39:49,210 --> 01:39:47,600
think are the absolute best cases in

2473
01:39:51,010 --> 01:39:49,220
there that that you know that are just

2474
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:51,020
solid definitely not a plan it's

2475
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:53,450
definitely not you know some balloon you

2476
01:39:57,700 --> 01:39:56,090
know definitely not an airline airliner

2477
01:40:00,130 --> 01:39:57,710
coming in for landing or something of

2478
01:40:01,770 --> 01:40:00,140
that nature and very credible witnesses

2479
01:40:03,850 --> 01:40:01,780
you know these are policemen you know

2480
01:40:06,370 --> 01:40:03,860
doctors lawyers I mean these are very

2481
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:06,380
good people seeing these things and we

2482
01:40:11,110 --> 01:40:08,320
we put those in the bucket for

2483
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:11,120
publication later we then take those and

2484
01:40:16,690 --> 01:40:13,040
we are starting to send them out to the

2485
01:40:18,670 --> 01:40:16,700
local press so Roger Marsh who is our

2486
01:40:20,770 --> 01:40:18,680
journal editor I'm going to be naming

2487
01:40:23,290 --> 01:40:20,780
him shortly as our director of public

2488
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:23,300
relations we've had some good ones in

2489
01:40:26,670 --> 01:40:24,890
the past and he's going to take over he

2490
01:40:29,170 --> 01:40:26,680
has been actually taking these reports

2491
01:40:31,390 --> 01:40:29,180
sending them out to the local media and

2492
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:31,400
the national media and we're starting to

2493
01:40:36,310 --> 01:40:32,930
get bites and people doing stories on

2494
01:40:40,210 --> 01:40:36,320
and TV shows TV shows but no new shows

2495
01:40:41,860 --> 01:40:40,220
and newspapers starting to write this

2496
01:40:44,290 --> 01:40:41,870
stuff up so you're going to start to see

2497
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:44,300
a lot more in the press I'm hoping over

2498
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:46,880
the next six to twelve months then

2499
01:40:51,610 --> 01:40:49,250
you've seen in the past because we are

2500
01:40:53,860 --> 01:40:51,620
going outbound rather than waiting for

2501
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:53,870
the press to come to us let me ask you a

2502
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:56,000
fast question here about the

2503
01:41:00,640 --> 01:40:57,170
organization as a whole

2504
01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:00,650
do you take a position on what UFOs are

2505
01:41:04,330 --> 01:41:02,450
or do you just say this is something

2506
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:04,340
that has to be investigated please let

2507
01:41:06,250 --> 01:41:06,050
me know sure you want an answer right

2508
01:41:09,610 --> 01:41:06,260
now

2509
01:41:12,010 --> 01:41:09,620
sure yeah number one UFOs are real and

2510
01:41:14,340 --> 01:41:12,020
number two at least some of these UFOs

2511
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:14,350
appear to be of extraterrestrial origin

2512
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,490
number three there's a hundred other

2513
01:41:21,340 --> 01:41:19,040
theories of where they could come from

2514
01:41:22,990 --> 01:41:21,350
and there's nothing usually exclusive

2515
01:41:25,630 --> 01:41:23,000
about any of the theories I mean they

2516
01:41:27,850 --> 01:41:25,640
could all be true right so I always tell

2517
01:41:29,470 --> 01:41:27,860
at my local meetings which I've turned

2518
01:41:31,570 --> 01:41:29,480
over now to Debra Edwards there's a new

2519
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:31,580
state section director actually George

2520
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:33,290
ancef really named her as a new state

2521
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:36,130
section director for Orange County that

2522
01:41:40,090 --> 01:41:38,210
when I'm now seeing the meetings I

2523
01:41:41,770 --> 01:41:40,100
always say people I say you know what we

2524
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:41,780
know to be true or two things one is

2525
01:41:46,180 --> 01:41:43,370
that UFOs are real they're physical

2526
01:41:48,189 --> 01:41:46,190
devices operating in and about our

2527
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:48,199
planet under intelligent

2528
01:41:54,069 --> 01:41:52,010
control of some sort number two at least

2529
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,079
some and I'll underlies some of these

2530
01:41:58,239 --> 01:41:55,760
craft appear to be of extraterrestrial

2531
01:42:01,089 --> 01:41:58,249
origin I say appear because we get the

2532
01:42:03,069 --> 01:42:01,099
reports like Betty and Barney Hill like

2533
01:42:04,719 --> 01:42:03,079
Travis Walton I mean obviously these are

2534
01:42:07,060 --> 01:42:04,729
beings that you don't see walking around

2535
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:07,070
the streets so they're probably not from

2536
01:42:09,939 --> 01:42:08,090
this planet

2537
01:42:11,709 --> 01:42:09,949
so they've actually you'd have to be

2538
01:42:13,810 --> 01:42:11,719
able to trace or out there I guess you

2539
01:42:16,779 --> 01:42:13,820
know I say out there because you have

2540
01:42:19,839 --> 01:42:16,789
other theories which need to be explored

2541
01:42:21,879 --> 01:42:19,849
you know the interdimensional theory

2542
01:42:24,969 --> 01:42:21,889
you've got time traveler theory you've

2543
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:24,979
got indigenous species that lives but

2544
01:42:29,229 --> 01:42:26,840
beneath the oceans or inside the earth

2545
01:42:31,390 --> 01:42:29,239
somewhere there's all sorts of

2546
01:42:33,250 --> 01:42:31,400
possibilities but they're not people

2547
01:42:37,629 --> 01:42:33,260
that we would deal with on a day-to-day

2548
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:37,639
basis so that's where at now we believe

2549
01:42:41,890 --> 01:42:39,170
that the way to solve this thing is

2550
01:42:43,959 --> 01:42:41,900
through data collection and in the

2551
01:42:45,310 --> 01:42:43,969
scientific study and I do believe the

2552
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:45,320
public needs someplace to be able to

2553
01:42:49,719 --> 01:42:47,449
reported sightings to and MUFON is bad

2554
01:42:51,850 --> 01:42:49,729
organization and then we just need to

2555
01:42:54,879 --> 01:42:51,860
make sure that that data is used by

2556
01:42:57,899 --> 01:42:54,889
researchers so that's my next thrust

2557
01:43:00,850 --> 01:42:57,909
which will be to start to engage

2558
01:43:03,729 --> 01:43:00,860
academics and scientists and

2559
01:43:05,469 --> 01:43:03,739
corporations in the search and we just

2560
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:05,479
need to make it palatable to them that

2561
01:43:09,209 --> 01:43:06,650
they can do this kind of work I think

2562
01:43:12,279 --> 01:43:09,219
the biggest crime of the century is

2563
01:43:15,009 --> 01:43:12,289
letting the intelligence community muddy

2564
01:43:18,459 --> 01:43:15,019
the water is so bad that good scientists

2565
01:43:20,199 --> 01:43:18,469
good academics good researchers can't be

2566
01:43:22,209 --> 01:43:20,209
involved in this without getting their

2567
01:43:25,180 --> 01:43:22,219
name tarnished or their reputation

2568
01:43:27,879 --> 01:43:25,190
tarnished I can't tell you the number of

2569
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:27,889
scientists that I have asked to come to

2570
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:29,650
MUFON symposium to the speakers and

2571
01:43:34,750 --> 01:43:33,530
they're always very polite but they

2572
01:43:38,109 --> 01:43:34,760
always have some other place they need

2573
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:38,119
to be that's why I was suggesting to you

2574
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:39,650
that when you have someone like a dr.

2575
01:43:43,540 --> 01:43:42,050
Greer it's not helping necessarily in

2576
01:43:46,029 --> 01:43:43,550
the scientific community but let me ask

2577
01:43:48,609 --> 01:43:46,039
you another question here with regard to

2578
01:43:51,759 --> 01:43:48,619
ongoing investigations and what we know

2579
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:51,769
about UFOs you think that any of the

2580
01:43:55,359 --> 01:43:53,360
governments of the world have guilty

2581
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:55,369
knowledge real evidence if they're

2582
01:44:00,879 --> 01:43:58,639
hiding as to what the answers to the UFO

2583
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:00,889
mystery are well this is only my opinion

2584
01:44:06,510 --> 01:44:02,050
I

2585
01:44:08,220 --> 01:44:06,520
government you know we think of the

2586
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:08,230
United States we think you know Obama's

2587
01:44:12,450 --> 01:44:10,210
the president you've got here in

2588
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:12,460
California Dianne Feinstein's be the

2589
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:13,090
senator

2590
01:44:18,689 --> 01:44:17,170
congressman I think that the general

2591
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:18,699
people who are at the top of the

2592
01:44:21,810 --> 01:44:19,570
government or run the government

2593
01:44:23,459 --> 01:44:21,820
probably don't have any knowledge of

2594
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:23,469
what's going on I think there are

2595
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:26,530
probably people buried deeper in the

2596
01:44:31,740 --> 01:44:29,290
layers of government or I truthfully

2597
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:31,750
believe it's more in the intelligence

2598
01:44:36,689 --> 01:44:34,719
military group where this stuff resides

2599
01:44:38,939 --> 01:44:36,699
well the private sector in the aerospace

2600
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:38,949
companies to don't forget yes what I

2601
01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:41,530
mean that's exactly where I think the

2602
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:43,030
information is in there and they're

2603
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:45,040
probably some bureaucrats from sometimes

2604
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:47,650
but the NSA or they see I don't know who

2605
01:44:51,839 --> 01:44:50,170
who ultimately has responsibility for it

2606
01:44:53,250 --> 01:44:51,849
but you know if you talked to dr. Bob

2607
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:53,260
wood or other folks they'll talk about

2608
01:44:57,720 --> 01:44:55,570
mj-12 with agua who's on mj-12 today

2609
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:57,730
there's obviously somebody who knows

2610
01:45:01,950 --> 01:45:00,159
something about this but to go March on

2611
01:45:03,959 --> 01:45:01,960
Washington and demand that the president

2612
01:45:05,069 --> 01:45:03,969
turn over what he knows I doubt that the

2613
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:05,079
president knows much of anything

2614
01:45:09,780 --> 01:45:07,840
personally he may be the last person to

2615
01:45:11,310 --> 01:45:09,790
know he may be the person who if they

2616
01:45:13,410 --> 01:45:11,320
ask they'll say well there's nothing to

2617
01:45:15,839 --> 01:45:13,420
it or you don't have the need to know

2618
01:45:17,729 --> 01:45:15,849
and exactly you're gonna be gone if four

2619
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:17,739
years or eight years so does it really

2620
01:45:20,939 --> 01:45:18,159
matter

2621
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:20,949
Jan Harz an of MUFON joining us with

2622
01:45:34,650 --> 01:45:31,250
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2623
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2624
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2625
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2637
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2638
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2639
01:46:13,110 --> 01:46:11,110
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2640
01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:13,120
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2641
01:46:17,460 --> 01:46:15,070
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2642
01:46:19,110 --> 01:46:17,470
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2643
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:19,120
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2644
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2645
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2646
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2647
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2649
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2650
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2652
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2653
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2654
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2655
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2656
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2657
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2658
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2659
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2660
01:47:54,339 --> 01:47:50,000
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2661
01:48:02,629 --> 01:47:54,349
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2662
01:48:04,279 --> 01:48:02,639
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2663
01:48:06,770 --> 01:48:04,289
Chris and the para cast we have Jan

2664
01:48:09,290 --> 01:48:06,780
horizon-- of MUFON we're asking him the

2665
01:48:10,879 --> 01:48:09,300
questions you want us to ask and we're

2666
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:10,889
not always asking friendly questions

2667
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,960
either as you notice Chris is a bunch

2668
01:48:16,910 --> 01:48:14,400
more questions out there in the audience

2669
01:48:19,609 --> 01:48:16,920
from our forum would you maybe bring up

2670
01:48:21,399 --> 01:48:19,619
some more yeah this is becoming more and

2671
01:48:25,790 --> 01:48:21,409
more of a problem and that is the

2672
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:25,800
accessibility of special effects in

2673
01:48:32,810 --> 01:48:29,489
editing software that are coming up with

2674
01:48:35,359 --> 01:48:32,820
some pretty ingenious hoaxes and now

2675
01:48:38,990 --> 01:48:35,369
that we have such accessibility for

2676
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:39,000
desktop one you know both animation and

2677
01:48:45,049 --> 01:48:41,730
effects and other things do you see this

2678
01:48:47,359 --> 01:48:45,059
this whole problem of of hoaxing as

2679
01:48:50,660 --> 01:48:47,369
being something that is going to

2680
01:48:53,089 --> 01:48:50,670
continue possibly get worse and in what

2681
01:48:54,799 --> 01:48:53,099
do you have to say I have one question

2682
01:48:57,649 --> 01:48:54,809
are here that wants you to make a

2683
01:48:59,379 --> 01:48:57,659
statement of condemnation for the third

2684
01:49:01,850 --> 01:48:59,389
phase of Moon folks who are over there

2685
01:49:03,950 --> 01:49:01,860
creating hoaxes them trying to pass them

2686
01:49:05,209 --> 01:49:03,960
off as real real sightings so where do

2687
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:05,219
you come down on this whole whole

2688
01:49:09,140 --> 01:49:06,320
subject

2689
01:49:10,669 --> 01:49:09,150
well where I come down on is I wish we

2690
01:49:12,529 --> 01:49:10,679
there was a law that made it illegal to

2691
01:49:14,899 --> 01:49:12,539
do such a thing I mean I understand in

2692
01:49:17,379 --> 01:49:14,909
other countries that it's actually

2693
01:49:20,569 --> 01:49:17,389
punishable by jail time to to actually

2694
01:49:23,810 --> 01:49:20,579
perpetrate a UFO hoax oh yeah in which

2695
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:23,820
countries I believe her on here but I

2696
01:49:28,879 --> 01:49:25,920
believe it's France but I can check on

2697
01:49:30,919 --> 01:49:28,889
those facts but I think that frankly it

2698
01:49:32,270 --> 01:49:30,929
ought to be something punishable by at

2699
01:49:35,209 --> 01:49:32,280
least a misdemeanor or some kind of a

2700
01:49:37,310 --> 01:49:35,219
fine if someone tries to purposely do it

2701
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:37,320
because it's it wastes a lot of people's

2702
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:39,840
time frankly and it's this could be

2703
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:42,690
disruptive to the population to put

2704
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:45,570
false information out there I doubt

2705
01:49:49,220 --> 01:49:47,130
we'll ever get a you know because of

2706
01:49:51,379 --> 01:49:49,230
freedom of speech in the United States I

2707
01:49:53,209 --> 01:49:51,389
don't think we'll ever get it to pass so

2708
01:49:55,129 --> 01:49:53,219
here's what we do we get about one or

2709
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:55,139
two percent of our sighting reports are

2710
01:49:59,330 --> 01:49:57,840
clearly hoaxes and the vast majority of

2711
01:50:01,070 --> 01:49:59,340
we can tell

2712
01:50:04,100 --> 01:50:01,080
really quickly because we we contact

2713
01:50:06,020 --> 01:50:04,110
almost everyone back on the report and

2714
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:06,030
we can just tell by the way it's written

2715
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:08,130
by the in the way they do stuff

2716
01:50:12,919 --> 01:50:10,650
here's a good example there was a report

2717
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:12,929
about five years ago about a craft

2718
01:50:16,490 --> 01:50:15,090
landed in Bakersfield and the guy

2719
01:50:17,959 --> 01:50:16,500
reported that it land in his backyard

2720
01:50:20,359 --> 01:50:17,969
and actually a being came out of the

2721
01:50:23,089 --> 01:50:20,369
craft and so having seen this I

2722
01:50:26,030 --> 01:50:23,099
immediately jumped on it and I contacted

2723
01:50:26,859 --> 01:50:26,040
the guy to email I don't believe he gave

2724
01:50:29,780 --> 01:50:26,869
us his phone number

2725
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:29,790
well I got the sheepish reply back from

2726
01:50:33,709 --> 01:50:32,159
the guy oh I'm so sorry I was just

2727
01:50:35,780 --> 01:50:33,719
goofing around and I didn't realize

2728
01:50:37,339 --> 01:50:35,790
anybody was gonna come back at me on

2729
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:37,349
this thing right well so I mean I was

2730
01:50:41,810 --> 01:50:39,449
excited I'm gosh we got a real crash on

2731
01:50:44,300 --> 01:50:41,820
the ground as beings and you know so

2732
01:50:46,580 --> 01:50:44,310
people do it for a joke they do it for

2733
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:46,590
fun but you're talking about the very

2734
01:50:51,919 --> 01:50:50,130
sophisticated hoax is where people might

2735
01:50:53,089 --> 01:50:51,929
actually build a craft and go fly it we

2736
01:50:56,300 --> 01:50:53,099
have a lot of people doing that these

2737
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,310
days or even worse yet go on using

2738
01:51:02,750 --> 01:50:58,320
animation graphics and create a

2739
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:02,760
completely realistic encounter using

2740
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:05,280
their computer with modern analytical

2741
01:51:09,589 --> 01:51:07,650
techniques though I mean people like

2742
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:09,599
Jeff sanyo and of course loose Maccabee

2743
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:11,760
ray Stanford for instance they can take

2744
01:51:19,399 --> 01:51:15,449
one look at at the vast majority I'd say

2745
01:51:20,990 --> 01:51:19,409
highly 99% of these and instantly see

2746
01:51:22,910 --> 01:51:21,000
that it's a hoax but for the average

2747
01:51:25,339 --> 01:51:22,920
person the kid out there who wants to

2748
01:51:28,010 --> 01:51:25,349
learn about this subject he doesn't have

2749
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:28,020
that expertise to rely on and it's very

2750
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:30,210
easy to pawn these things off as real

2751
01:51:33,859 --> 01:51:31,770
and I think it's really doing the field

2752
01:51:36,260 --> 01:51:33,869
a disservice and you know I think there

2753
01:51:38,270 --> 01:51:36,270
should be a law against it too it's the

2754
01:51:40,910 --> 01:51:38,280
educational part of this if people are

2755
01:51:42,649 --> 01:51:40,920
being miss educated and and that that

2756
01:51:44,419 --> 01:51:42,659
could really be a problem I think in the

2757
01:51:46,129 --> 01:51:44,429
future for an organization like move on

2758
01:51:48,379 --> 01:51:46,139
well I think it could be although

2759
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:48,389
there's just as much technology it

2760
01:51:52,339 --> 01:51:50,010
allows you to go figure out from pixel

2761
01:51:53,890 --> 01:51:52,349
in pixelation and different things you

2762
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:53,900
know Mark Dantonio is also one of our

2763
01:51:59,740 --> 01:51:56,010
photo analyst one of our primary

2764
01:52:01,939 --> 01:51:59,750
formulas and he works with FX models I

2765
01:52:04,100 --> 01:52:01,949
mean there there are techniques that can

2766
01:52:06,530 --> 01:52:04,110
be used to deserve discern whether an

2767
01:52:08,300 --> 01:52:06,540
images have been overlaid or not whether

2768
01:52:10,700 --> 01:52:08,310
it was implanted in the middle of

2769
01:52:12,379 --> 01:52:10,710
another image so just as much technology

2770
01:52:12,959 --> 01:52:12,389
exists on the other side to go figure

2771
01:52:15,090 --> 01:52:12,969
this stuff out

2772
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:15,100
digitally as there is to go make this

2773
01:52:19,770 --> 01:52:17,410
stuff digitally you know it wouldn't be

2774
01:52:22,410 --> 01:52:19,780
nice to have marks time tied up with

2775
01:52:24,420 --> 01:52:22,420
with looking at a footage I mean

2776
01:52:26,370 --> 01:52:24,430
absolutely I couldn't agree more point

2777
01:52:28,860 --> 01:52:26,380
it out I mean it's a time waster well

2778
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:28,870
here's another contentious kind of

2779
01:52:34,590 --> 01:52:32,050
element that has really I think

2780
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:34,600
tarnished the field to a certain extent

2781
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:36,610
and that is the whole hypnotic

2782
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:38,890
regression as an investigative tool I

2783
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:41,199
have a question here from Han who says

2784
01:52:46,140 --> 01:52:43,930
what is the official MUFON position

2785
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:46,150
regarding hypnotic regression and the

2786
01:52:51,330 --> 01:52:48,489
evidence gathered using it is there an

2787
01:52:53,610 --> 01:52:51,340
official position and he also wants to

2788
01:52:56,490 --> 01:52:53,620
know your personal opinion on using

2789
01:52:58,590 --> 01:52:56,500
hypnosis for information gathering well

2790
01:53:00,090 --> 01:52:58,600
I mean it's been a technique used for

2791
01:53:03,860 --> 01:53:00,100
years for a number of things including

2792
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:03,870
you know accident investigations and and

2793
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:06,810
regular types of things like that

2794
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:09,040
MUFON the official position we actually

2795
01:53:15,209 --> 01:53:11,050
have a director of abductions

2796
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:15,219
Kathleen Mardon of course her aunt was

2797
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:17,650
Betty of Betty and Barney Hill yes she's

2798
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:19,330
been a guest on the power cast several

2799
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:22,090
times so we know her yeah so we'll move

2800
01:53:27,090 --> 01:53:24,400
on to position I mean we do take reports

2801
01:53:29,370 --> 01:53:27,100
of abductions we do have a referral

2802
01:53:30,959 --> 01:53:29,380
network to get people help that's

2803
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:30,969
generally why they come to us is more

2804
01:53:35,100 --> 01:53:33,130
that they're looking for someone they

2805
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:35,110
can talk to they're looking for someone

2806
01:53:39,150 --> 01:53:36,880
they can can help put their life back

2807
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:39,160
together it goes back to the

2808
01:53:43,229 --> 01:53:40,570
psychological effects of having an

2809
01:53:46,350 --> 01:53:43,239
encounter of that nature that we talked

2810
01:53:49,530 --> 01:53:46,360
about earlier in the show and we so

2811
01:53:52,110 --> 01:53:49,540
Kathleen does a great job of talking to

2812
01:53:53,850 --> 01:53:52,120
those people understanding what happened

2813
01:53:56,430 --> 01:53:53,860
with them and then getting them the

2814
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:56,440
resources and help that they request or

2815
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:58,719
need so I mean that's what we're here

2816
01:54:01,050 --> 01:53:58,960
for

2817
01:54:02,939 --> 01:54:01,060
I mean as far as you know whether it's

2818
01:54:05,340 --> 01:54:02,949
true or not or what happen or not I mean

2819
01:54:06,660 --> 01:54:05,350
we don't really put any kind of imprint

2820
01:54:09,180 --> 01:54:06,670
on that I mean obviously people are

2821
01:54:11,580 --> 01:54:09,190
having an experience it's it's not

2822
01:54:13,229 --> 01:54:11,590
typically can be but it's not typically

2823
01:54:16,110 --> 01:54:13,239
your your straight out I was staying

2824
01:54:18,330 --> 01:54:16,120
there and I you know came by it's much

2825
01:54:20,430 --> 01:54:18,340
more involved but it's happening all

2826
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:20,440
over at least all the United States I

2827
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:22,330
don't know if it's globally as someone

2828
01:54:25,470 --> 01:54:23,410
told me the other day that it doesn't

2829
01:54:26,590 --> 01:54:25,480
seem to happen as much in Europe as it

2830
01:54:28,450 --> 01:54:26,600
does in the United States so

2831
01:54:31,930 --> 01:54:28,460
interesting thought that could be a

2832
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:31,940
research project in and of itself but I

2833
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:33,170
mean we just try to be here for the

2834
01:54:37,450 --> 01:54:34,610
public to allow them to report what they

2835
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:37,460
see and without judgment and then

2836
01:54:41,380 --> 01:54:39,890
assigned investigators to go look into

2837
01:54:44,050 --> 01:54:41,390
it and in the case of the abductions we

2838
01:54:45,940 --> 01:54:44,060
have Kathleen who's a great resource to

2839
01:54:49,060 --> 01:54:45,950
help people take it to the next level

2840
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:49,070
okay yeah and that's I think that's

2841
01:54:54,460 --> 01:54:52,490
that's a pretty good approach to take

2842
01:54:56,770 --> 01:54:54,470
obviously hypnotic regression does have

2843
01:54:59,440 --> 01:54:56,780
its problems in terms of the quality of

2844
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:59,450
information but you know if you have

2845
01:55:05,410 --> 01:55:01,520
somebody that's that's properly trained

2846
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,420
I it could be you know an effective tool

2847
01:55:09,940 --> 01:55:07,760
although you know they're still doing

2848
01:55:14,020 --> 01:55:09,950
always get any questions about it well

2849
01:55:15,310 --> 01:55:14,030
here's here's another question that and

2850
01:55:17,050 --> 01:55:15,320
this is an interesting one again this

2851
01:55:20,620 --> 01:55:17,060
comes from hands one of our longtime

2852
01:55:22,450 --> 01:55:20,630
posters at forum dr. Peric ascom if one

2853
01:55:24,430 --> 01:55:22,460
day Jan you could have unlimited funds

2854
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:24,440
the highest command and the highest

2855
01:55:28,150 --> 01:55:26,570
security clearances to all government

2856
01:55:29,860 --> 01:55:28,160
files and buildings where would you

2857
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:29,870
start and how would you deploy those

2858
01:55:37,090 --> 01:55:34,610
resources it's a good question well I

2859
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:37,100
don't you know I mean if you're not on

2860
01:55:41,590 --> 01:55:38,450
the inside you're not on the inside so

2861
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:41,600
that's that's the part where I would

2862
01:55:45,670 --> 01:55:43,850
like to go and we're doing this as an

2863
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:45,680
organization as MUFON it as you follow

2864
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:47,360
just all of us who are getting this I

2865
01:55:52,060 --> 01:55:50,210
believe what we need to do is to get our

2866
01:55:53,830 --> 01:55:52,070
regular scientists who aren't part of

2867
01:55:56,590 --> 01:55:53,840
the you know working on some black

2868
01:55:58,960 --> 01:55:56,600
project somewhere are not part of the

2869
01:56:00,340 --> 01:55:58,970
inside group and get them working on the

2870
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:00,350
problem I mean once they realize that

2871
01:56:04,660 --> 01:56:02,930
this is real that these craft exists

2872
01:56:07,450 --> 01:56:04,670
that they display this kind of

2873
01:56:09,730 --> 01:56:07,460
extraordinary technology it won't take

2874
01:56:11,530 --> 01:56:09,740
us that long if we can focus the

2875
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:11,540
resources and the money that's out there

2876
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:13,250
in the research community some

2877
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:16,880
corporations from from universities from

2878
01:56:22,540 --> 01:56:20,090
you know private think tanks to to solve

2879
01:56:24,220 --> 01:56:22,550
this problem ourselves so I think we

2880
01:56:26,230 --> 01:56:24,230
just needed what something just you know

2881
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:26,240
take the power of flight right I mean

2882
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:27,890
once it's discovered once all of a

2883
01:56:31,660 --> 01:56:29,330
sudden everybody's doing it right so

2884
01:56:34,330 --> 01:56:31,670
once it's been discovered which seems to

2885
01:56:36,100 --> 01:56:34,340
be it only has some where it's it's

2886
01:56:39,890 --> 01:56:36,110
known that it shouldn't take that long

2887
01:56:42,530 --> 01:56:39,900
to to figure out a second time

2888
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:42,540
so I I'd like to you know for myself and

2889
01:56:49,310 --> 01:56:46,530
for MUFON use that as the focus is

2890
01:56:50,990 --> 01:56:49,320
rather than try to get inside the

2891
01:56:52,490 --> 01:56:51,000
intelligence community and route around

2892
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:52,500
and try to feral it honest

2893
01:56:56,209 --> 01:56:54,000
act let's forget that let's just show

2894
01:56:58,459 --> 01:56:56,219
directly to solving it ourselves and

2895
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:58,469
putting this technology the peaceful use

2896
01:57:02,810 --> 01:57:00,000
on this planet so for the betterment of

2897
01:57:04,370 --> 01:57:02,820
all mankind not just a few well that

2898
01:57:07,820 --> 01:57:04,380
sounds of course there is technology

2899
01:57:09,649 --> 01:57:07,830
that we can acquire that technology is

2900
01:57:12,649 --> 01:57:09,659
something that we can get ahold of or

2901
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:12,659
that there is et they are even at all

2902
01:57:16,669 --> 01:57:15,210
interested in letting anyone in on what

2903
01:57:18,830 --> 01:57:16,679
they do and how they do it maybe they

2904
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:18,840
have their own prime directive which is

2905
01:57:23,390 --> 01:57:21,810
mostly look but do not touch but then we

2906
01:57:26,899 --> 01:57:23,400
have the abductions we don't know about

2907
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:26,909
those Jan Harz in from MUFON joining us

2908
01:57:41,859 --> 01:57:38,729
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the para cast job as you see we have a

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lot of questions from our listeners

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about MUFON questioning how the

3004
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organization is working about some of

3005
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the questions about what the

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organization has done in the past coming

3007
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up with Jean and Chris we have Jan

3008
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horizon-- answering those questions Jan

3009
02:02:20,979 --> 02:02:19,099
let me ask you one quick one here and

3010
02:02:23,919 --> 02:02:20,989
that is regarding of course the

3011
02:02:26,799 --> 02:02:23,929
Association briefly with mr. Bigelow

3012
02:02:28,540 --> 02:02:26,809
which didn't work out so well is that

3013
02:02:30,430 --> 02:02:28,550
something you'd seek in the future and I

3014
02:02:32,410 --> 02:02:30,440
say didn't work out so well because he's

3015
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the kind of person who likes all the

3016
02:02:35,740 --> 02:02:35,000
information going his way but not in the

3017
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:35,750
other direction

3018
02:02:39,370 --> 02:02:38,090
yeah so before I answer that I wanted to

3019
02:02:41,500 --> 02:02:39,380
go back to the previous question if I

3020
02:02:44,500 --> 02:02:41,510
could because this is an important point

3021
02:02:48,609 --> 02:02:44,510
being an alumni of UCLA I had the

3022
02:02:50,879 --> 02:02:48,619
opportunity to attend a presentation by

3023
02:02:53,020 --> 02:02:50,889
Ben rich from the Lockheed skunkworks I

3024
02:02:55,359 --> 02:02:53,030
had the good fortune to invite Tom

3025
02:02:57,790 --> 02:02:55,369
Keller to attend with me and this was

3026
02:03:01,149 --> 02:02:57,800
back in 93 I thought it was March 23

3027
02:03:02,229 --> 02:03:01,159
1993 yeah and it has a famous statement

3028
02:03:05,020 --> 02:03:02,239
that he made and you were there and

3029
02:03:08,890 --> 02:03:05,030
heard it exactly his first hand by two

3030
02:03:11,229 --> 02:03:08,900
of us not just one but two so he did a

3031
02:03:12,430 --> 02:03:11,239
whole presentation of his 40 years at

3032
02:03:14,649 --> 02:03:12,440
the walking skunkworks because he

3033
02:03:18,609 --> 02:03:14,659
started as a young engineer he actually

3034
02:03:21,220 --> 02:03:18,619
was protege of Kelly Johnson who was the

3035
02:03:21,939 --> 02:03:21,230
then CEO the original CEO of Lockheed

3036
02:03:25,359 --> 02:03:21,949
skunkworks

3037
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:25,369
and he was given the been was given the

3038
02:03:30,879 --> 02:03:27,280
opportunity to be the project manager

3039
02:03:32,439 --> 02:03:30,889
over the sr-71 that was his baby that

3040
02:03:33,879 --> 02:03:32,449
turned out to be so darn successful and

3041
02:03:37,510 --> 02:03:33,889
the things are still flying today I mean

3042
02:03:39,850 --> 02:03:37,520
this was built like 4050 years ago he

3043
02:03:41,919 --> 02:03:39,860
took over and worked there and then

3044
02:03:44,830 --> 02:03:41,929
retired and he was also an alumni of the

3045
02:03:45,970 --> 02:03:44,840
UCLA School of Engineering and he agreed

3046
02:03:47,439 --> 02:03:45,980
to come speak to the Alumni the

3047
02:03:50,109 --> 02:03:47,449
engineering alumni and there are about

3048
02:03:52,479 --> 02:03:50,119
200 of us there this night he did a

3049
02:03:54,220 --> 02:03:52,489
beautiful you know I think 40 slides set

3050
02:03:56,979 --> 02:03:54,230
on the different it was they was

3051
02:03:59,859 --> 02:03:56,989
slideshow on his ears de skunk works

3052
02:04:01,750 --> 02:03:59,869
including starting with the u-2 spy

3053
02:04:05,180 --> 02:04:01,760
plane up through the sr-71 all the way

3054
02:04:08,209 --> 02:04:05,190
up to the f-117 and when he

3055
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:08,219
his talk he his last slide with a black

3056
02:04:12,410 --> 02:04:11,010
disc zipping off into outer space and

3057
02:04:14,420 --> 02:04:12,420
they'll swoosh marks or he could see him

3058
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:14,430
flying off in outer space and he ended

3059
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:16,650
the talk by saying we miss a quote we

3060
02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:19,370
now have the technology to take e.t home

3061
02:04:23,660 --> 02:04:21,570
well the entire place broke out laughing

3062
02:04:25,400 --> 02:04:23,670
and Tom and I just looked at each other

3063
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:25,410
said did he just say what we think you

3064
02:04:30,290 --> 02:04:27,930
said and we were just completely blown

3065
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:30,300
away well I was a little polite Q&A

3066
02:04:34,340 --> 02:04:32,370
afterwards and then people got up to

3067
02:04:35,660 --> 02:04:34,350
leave and then about twenty or thirty of

3068
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:35,670
us went down to stand around him and

3069
02:04:39,860 --> 02:04:37,290
talk with him some more

3070
02:04:41,780 --> 02:04:39,870
and during that he shared some very

3071
02:04:43,820 --> 02:04:41,790
fascinating things he mentioned about

3072
02:04:45,590 --> 02:04:43,830
the fact that we had figured out the

3073
02:04:47,180 --> 02:04:45,600
technology to travel to the stars and

3074
02:04:49,970 --> 02:04:47,190
that it wouldn't take our lifetime to

3075
02:04:53,570 --> 02:04:49,980
get there he mentioned that there was an

3076
02:04:56,060 --> 02:04:53,580
error in the equations and we now had

3077
02:04:57,560 --> 02:04:56,070
the technology to take e.t home so he

3078
02:04:59,630 --> 02:04:57,570
wouldn't tell us what the equations were

3079
02:05:02,840 --> 02:04:59,640
but if you know anything about stealth

3080
02:05:06,110 --> 02:05:02,850
stealth technology was all developed

3081
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:06,120
from a russian mathematicians equations

3082
02:05:10,670 --> 02:05:08,370
that the Lockheed skunkworks one of

3083
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:10,680
their engineers there picked up and

3084
02:05:15,500 --> 02:05:13,050
started working with and realized that

3085
02:05:17,090 --> 02:05:15,510
if you built a plane with certain angles

3086
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:17,100
to it that it would be invisible to

3087
02:05:21,500 --> 02:05:20,250
radar and that's why the f-117 was so

3088
02:05:22,700 --> 02:05:21,510
strange

3089
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:22,710
it's kind of a tranq it's kind of

3090
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:25,530
weird-looking plane but that was all

3091
02:05:28,880 --> 02:05:27,690
based on Russian mathematics but was no

3092
02:05:30,620 --> 02:05:28,890
such thing as a Russian mathematics but

3093
02:05:33,140 --> 02:05:30,630
it was a math mathematics from a Russian

3094
02:05:35,450 --> 02:05:33,150
mathematician that was adapted well

3095
02:05:38,209 --> 02:05:35,460
obviously there's other equations to

3096
02:05:40,850 --> 02:05:38,219
talk about how you travel from here to

3097
02:05:42,770 --> 02:05:40,860
there and these have been figured out

3098
02:05:45,380 --> 02:05:42,780
and there was an error in them and the

3099
02:05:47,209 --> 02:05:45,390
error was corrected and now the but in

3100
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:47,219
the black world because that basically

3101
02:05:52,040 --> 02:05:48,960
walking scum force does it built things

3102
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:52,050
for the CIA and the NSA anybody else but

3103
02:05:55,729 --> 02:05:54,930
Saul top secret I've discovered it so so

3104
02:05:58,340 --> 02:05:55,739
going back to the previous question

3105
02:05:59,150 --> 02:05:58,350
which was you know how do we if you had

3106
02:06:00,560 --> 02:05:59,160
all the money in the world how would you

3107
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:00,570
just well I think what we do is we point

3108
02:06:04,820 --> 02:06:02,370
people towards those things the last

3109
02:06:06,229 --> 02:06:04,830
statement that Ben rich made was as he

3110
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:06,239
was when couldn t to walk away I

3111
02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:08,130
followed him out of the room or to the

3112
02:06:11,810 --> 02:06:10,290
end of the room and said mister rich I

3113
02:06:13,819 --> 02:06:11,820
have one last question for you and he

3114
02:06:15,229 --> 02:06:13,829
looked around me like who are you and

3115
02:06:17,479 --> 02:06:15,239
and I said to him I said I were real

3116
02:06:19,490 --> 02:06:17,489
interested in this whole subject of

3117
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:19,500
propulsion and how it all works and I

3118
02:06:22,879 --> 02:06:21,599
said can you tell me what you know what

3119
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:22,889
the equations are I can generally how it

3120
02:06:26,569 --> 02:06:25,290
works and he was looking again up and

3121
02:06:28,700 --> 02:06:26,579
down like who are you and why are you

3122
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:28,710
asking this question and he said well

3123
02:06:33,770 --> 02:06:31,170
let me ask you a question how does ESP

3124
02:06:35,959 --> 02:06:33,780
work and I was like stunned I mean I but

3125
02:06:38,419 --> 02:06:35,969
two steps back and I I wasn't expecting

3126
02:06:40,220 --> 02:06:38,429
a question to my question but I snapped

3127
02:06:42,649 --> 02:06:40,230
back just first thing that came to my

3128
02:06:44,540 --> 02:06:42,659
mind I shot back I don't know all points

3129
02:06:45,770 --> 02:06:44,550
in space and time are connected he

3130
02:06:47,149 --> 02:06:45,780
looked at me he said that's how it works

3131
02:06:51,589 --> 02:06:47,159
and he turned around he walked away

3132
02:06:54,140 --> 02:06:51,599
Wow huh down so here you've got two

3133
02:06:55,549 --> 02:06:54,150
clues well three clues one is we've

3134
02:06:58,580 --> 02:06:55,559
already done it so we know it's doable

3135
02:06:59,839 --> 02:06:58,590
- there's an error in the equations so

3136
02:07:01,640 --> 02:06:59,849
we just need to figure out what the

3137
02:07:04,129 --> 02:07:01,650
equations are and what the error is and

3138
02:07:05,780 --> 02:07:04,139
three that however it works is the same

3139
02:07:07,549 --> 02:07:05,790
way ESP works so there's been a ton of

3140
02:07:10,069 --> 02:07:07,559
research done by the Stanford Research

3141
02:07:12,500 --> 02:07:10,079
Institute and other folks all put off

3142
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:12,510
and a number of folks about that whole

3143
02:07:16,490 --> 02:07:14,010
thing about remote viewing and how that

3144
02:07:18,500 --> 02:07:16,500
all comes about so we've got these clues

3145
02:07:20,810 --> 02:07:18,510
here we just need to get people working

3146
02:07:22,250 --> 02:07:20,820
on it who have good scientific

3147
02:07:24,350 --> 02:07:22,260
backgrounds you know it's kind of like

3148
02:07:26,089 --> 02:07:24,360
would you lose your keys and you look

3149
02:07:27,140 --> 02:07:26,099
you know on the kitchen counter and you

3150
02:07:29,810 --> 02:07:27,150
don't see them and you're walking there

3151
02:07:30,919 --> 02:07:29,820
and yes your spouse you know have you

3152
02:07:32,060 --> 02:07:30,929
seen my keys oh yeah they're on the

3153
02:07:33,620 --> 02:07:32,070
kitchen counter you go back and also oh

3154
02:07:34,700 --> 02:07:33,630
they're there I mean they were sitting

3155
02:07:36,020 --> 02:07:34,710
there all the time but you didn't see

3156
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:36,030
them the first time you looked but

3157
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:38,010
they're there that's kind of like this

3158
02:07:42,470 --> 02:07:40,650
is it if you know that it exists and you

3159
02:07:43,939 --> 02:07:42,480
know that it's there then all of a

3160
02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:43,949
sudden it becomes a lot easier to solve

3161
02:07:48,589 --> 02:07:46,290
so I just want to make that point is

3162
02:07:50,299 --> 02:07:48,599
that is that this is all solvable it's

3163
02:07:51,649 --> 02:07:50,309
all doable and we don't need the

3164
02:07:54,020 --> 02:07:51,659
government or the intelligence community

3165
02:07:55,250 --> 02:07:54,030
to come clean or be great if they did I

3166
02:07:56,660 --> 02:07:55,260
don't think it'll ever happen but if

3167
02:07:58,549 --> 02:07:56,670
they did they'd be wonderful

3168
02:08:01,160 --> 02:07:58,559
but we can we can do this all within our

3169
02:08:02,959 --> 02:08:01,170
own resources in our own time now I had

3170
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:02,969
a question on the table though which was

3171
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:05,010
about Bob Bigelow and the issues

3172
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:06,840
regarding his participant you talked

3173
02:08:09,950 --> 02:08:08,880
about Bob Bigelow coming what you want

3174
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:09,960
to know and I'll tell you whatever you

3175
02:08:14,990 --> 02:08:12,210
need to know okay specifically here when

3176
02:08:17,629 --> 02:08:15,000
he was working with MUFON I guess there

3177
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:17,639
was some question over the funds that

3178
02:08:20,930 --> 02:08:19,290
were applied for research and whether

3179
02:08:23,209 --> 02:08:20,940
the projects could be finished fast

3180
02:08:26,710 --> 02:08:23,219
enough or not and the other question is

3181
02:08:28,270 --> 02:08:26,720
here's the issue or the concern about

3182
02:08:30,340 --> 02:08:28,280
fact that Bigelow seems to have this

3183
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:30,350
reputation that all the information

3184
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:32,450
comes to him rather than the other way

3185
02:08:38,410 --> 02:08:35,090
around okay so he was the opportunity

3186
02:08:40,180 --> 02:08:38,420
that presented itself Bob had a contract

3187
02:08:42,490 --> 02:08:40,190
now we'd ever knew who exactly the

3188
02:08:44,770 --> 02:08:42,500
contract was with but my belief it was a

3189
02:08:47,260 --> 02:08:44,780
private individual who is had a great

3190
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interest in the subject and the question

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was put to us if you had you know all

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the money you needed could you do a

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better job of getting to you know your

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full report getting to a site and

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collecting the data and would that

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improve your ability to have usable you

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know information and so we thought about

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that and we said absolutely on our

3199
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mission is a scientific study of UFOs

3200
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for the benefit of humanity our first

3201
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goal is to investigate UFO sightings so

3202
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if we had you know we're a completely

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volunteer organization other than the

3204
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executive director and an office manager

3205
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minutes and I think we also have a

3206
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contract person who does our journal but

3207
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beyond that I mean it's all volunteers I

3208
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mean there's thousands of volunteers

3209
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well if you now have money to let's say

3210
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a report comes in to have a team with

3211
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people who triage those reports we call

3212
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the CMS administrators and case managers

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and they could quickly jump on a case

3214
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and assign an investigator which we

3215
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deemed to start team investigators these

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are basically our folks who've got a lot

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of years of experience as that buys and

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get them out to the site within 24 hours

3219
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you know but it requires a plane ticket

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you know bus ride up you know whatever

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it takes to get them there and fund them

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to stay on site you know in a hotel feed

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them house them give them the supplies

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they need to do the report could you get

3225
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better data I mean that was the whole

3226
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crux behind the the what was being asked

3227
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of us today well let's continue that in

3228
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our next segment we have Jan Haar's and

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joining Jeanne and Chris you're in the

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sit in these reoccurring problem areas

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year after year betting their lives that

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the disaster wouldn't get them hundreds

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thousand donated meals to the Oklahoma

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will take care of ourselves

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we can all pitch in to take care of

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[Music]

3335
02:14:49,700 --> 02:14:46,380
hi this is nuclear physicist lecturers

3336
02:14:52,819 --> 02:14:49,710
and Friedman you are listening to the

3337
02:15:01,550 --> 02:14:52,829
Peres case to the gold standard a

3338
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:01,560
paranormal radio Jan hares an of MUFON

3339
02:15:05,390 --> 02:15:03,210
telling gene and Chris about their

3340
02:15:06,140 --> 02:15:05,400
participation working with mr. Bob

3341
02:15:08,839 --> 02:15:06,150
Bigelow

3342
02:15:12,260 --> 02:15:08,849
so go ahead please so we look at that

3343
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:12,270
and we said sure I mean absolutely I

3344
02:15:16,490 --> 02:15:13,920
mean today one of our biggest problems

3345
02:15:18,890 --> 02:15:16,500
is because it's all volunteer and people

3346
02:15:21,169 --> 02:15:18,900
are left to their own resources that if

3347
02:15:22,399 --> 02:15:21,179
you need to fly someone someplace I mean

3348
02:15:24,050 --> 02:15:22,409
they're paying out of their own pocket

3349
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:24,060
and a lot of people don't have the money

3350
02:15:26,930 --> 02:15:24,810
to do that

3351
02:15:29,660 --> 02:15:26,940
similarly if you're gonna want to be on

3352
02:15:31,129 --> 02:15:29,670
site for several days with some of these

3353
02:15:33,560 --> 02:15:31,139
cases require you're gonna have to have

3354
02:15:35,300 --> 02:15:33,570
the resources to have a hotel room to

3355
02:15:36,530 --> 02:15:35,310
have meals that maybe have a rental car

3356
02:15:38,510 --> 02:15:36,540
if you have to fly someplace where you

3357
02:15:40,910 --> 02:15:38,520
didn't have a car so we said absolutely

3358
02:15:42,680 --> 02:15:40,920
we think we could design a program or

3359
02:15:43,729 --> 02:15:42,690
where we could make this happen and test

3360
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:43,739
it out and see how it works

3361
02:15:47,569 --> 02:15:45,090
so they cigarette we're gonna give you X

3362
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:47,579
dollars per month and you know to pay

3363
02:15:51,439 --> 02:15:49,679
for this program we'd like a manager in

3364
02:15:53,810 --> 02:15:51,449
place of it so we need a star team

3365
02:15:56,060 --> 02:15:53,820
manager today that gentleman Fletcher

3366
02:15:57,770 --> 02:15:56,070
grey Fletcher is not paid he's not

3367
02:15:59,240 --> 02:15:57,780
they're not paid but but the one that

3368
02:16:01,850 --> 02:15:59,250
was there was being paid quite a bit of

3369
02:16:06,200 --> 02:16:01,860
money frankly we had basically operators

3370
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:06,210
standing by 24/7 were MUFON people CMS

3371
02:16:10,700 --> 02:16:08,010
administrator type people who were were

3372
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:10,710
scanning CMS minute by minute as cases

3373
02:16:15,080 --> 02:16:13,050
came in and immediately flowing back to

3374
02:16:17,450 --> 02:16:15,090
witnesses to get categorized the

3375
02:16:20,060 --> 02:16:17,460
sightings into either category one two

3376
02:16:22,160 --> 02:16:20,070
or three just to give you a quick

3377
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:22,170
synopsis a category one sighting is

3378
02:16:27,169 --> 02:16:24,810
basically a lightness guy category two

3379
02:16:29,660 --> 02:16:27,179
sighting in short is something that has

3380
02:16:31,879 --> 02:16:29,670
a physical effect so your car stopped it

3381
02:16:33,320 --> 02:16:31,889
left a burn mark on the ground it broke

3382
02:16:35,660 --> 02:16:33,330
a branch of a tree went through the way

3383
02:16:38,299 --> 02:16:35,670
something that you could see touch and

3384
02:16:41,089 --> 02:16:38,309
feel some physical effect and a category

3385
02:16:43,540 --> 02:16:41,099
tree was a sighting the close encounter

3386
02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:43,550
where an entity was observed or

3387
02:16:48,139 --> 02:16:46,410
interacted with well the vast majority

3388
02:16:49,580 --> 02:16:48,149
of our reports come in to MUFON our

3389
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:49,590
category one their lights in the sky

3390
02:16:52,030 --> 02:16:50,880
type of thing so that's probably seventy

3391
02:16:54,530 --> 02:16:52,040
seventy-five percent of what we get

3392
02:16:56,780 --> 02:16:54,540
perhaps even as high as eighty percent

3393
02:16:58,669 --> 02:16:56,790
you know we could get a few the category

3394
02:17:01,040 --> 02:16:58,679
twos and then very very few of the

3395
02:17:03,379 --> 02:17:01,050
category threes but we do get them so

3396
02:17:05,390 --> 02:17:03,389
thus our team will only deployed on

3397
02:17:07,490 --> 02:17:05,400
category two or category three sighting

3398
02:17:09,860 --> 02:17:07,500
reports and so we would triage those

3399
02:17:11,450 --> 02:17:09,870
reports we would review them and then

3400
02:17:14,089 --> 02:17:11,460
decide where the deployments should be

3401
02:17:15,650 --> 02:17:14,099
made and then the funds were expended so

3402
02:17:16,970 --> 02:17:15,660
we had to account for the funds they

3403
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:16,980
were given to us because they were the

3404
02:17:20,720 --> 02:17:18,719
whole point of thing was to pay for the

3405
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:20,730
project wasn't to pay for MUFON and that

3406
02:17:24,379 --> 02:17:23,130
was one of the sticking points we felt

3407
02:17:26,419 --> 02:17:24,389
that some of that money should have gone

3408
02:17:27,919 --> 02:17:26,429
for the interest overall administrative

3409
02:17:30,020 --> 02:17:27,929
overhead and move on because we did have

3410
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:30,030
to run CMS we have you know keep an

3411
02:17:33,620 --> 02:17:31,290
office open we had to do all that stuff

3412
02:17:36,650 --> 02:17:33,630
but but be that as it may I mean it did

3413
02:17:38,060 --> 02:17:36,660
fund a good project for I'm thinking six

3414
02:17:40,790 --> 02:17:38,070
to ten months I'm not sure exactly how

3415
02:17:43,820 --> 02:17:40,800
long it ran but then the project ended

3416
02:17:45,620 --> 02:17:43,830
so we took what we learned from that and

3417
02:17:47,810 --> 02:17:45,630
we've implemented it within MUFON today

3418
02:17:49,640 --> 02:17:47,820
we still have CMS administrators we

3419
02:17:51,440 --> 02:17:49,650
still have a starting manager we still

3420
02:17:53,180 --> 02:17:51,450
have started starting members but we

3421
02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:53,190
don't have into funding to drop people

3422
02:17:58,040 --> 02:17:55,050
in so the funding is all through

3423
02:18:00,440 --> 02:17:58,050
volunteer donations to be able to you

3424
02:18:02,299 --> 02:18:00,450
know fly people to a a good category

3425
02:18:04,270 --> 02:18:02,309
exciting to be able to put them up and

3426
02:18:06,799 --> 02:18:04,280
do stuff like that so we depend a lot

3427
02:18:07,549 --> 02:18:06,809
well as we always have on volunteers to

3428
02:18:09,260 --> 02:18:07,559
make that happen

3429
02:18:11,089 --> 02:18:09,270
but that was the full extent of the

3430
02:18:13,370 --> 02:18:11,099
program I mean there was never any

3431
02:18:15,740 --> 02:18:13,380
oversight by Bigelow literally wasn't

3432
02:18:17,690 --> 02:18:15,750
involved in it was bass his subsidiary

3433
02:18:21,770 --> 02:18:17,700
Bigelow Aerospace advanced aerospace

3434
02:18:23,180 --> 02:18:21,780
studies run by Colm Kelleher and they

3435
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:23,190
had a team of people that were working

3436
02:18:27,230 --> 02:18:24,690
on it and the whole purpose of that

3437
02:18:29,959 --> 02:18:27,240
organization was to bring scientists on

3438
02:18:31,339 --> 02:18:29,969
to look at the whole UFO problem so what

3439
02:18:33,410 --> 02:18:31,349
they were looking for was feeding these

3440
02:18:35,330 --> 02:18:33,420
people with information that they could

3441
02:18:37,430 --> 02:18:35,340
then work on later so after we

3442
02:18:38,629 --> 02:18:37,440
investigated the sighting report we

3443
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:38,639
would turn the information over to them

3444
02:18:41,870 --> 02:18:40,080
and if they want to go out on site and

3445
02:18:43,490 --> 02:18:41,880
investigate it they were welcome to do

3446
02:18:44,600 --> 02:18:43,500
so let me ask you a quick question here

3447
02:18:46,669 --> 02:18:44,610
because we have to move on we're getting

3448
02:18:48,740 --> 02:18:46,679
near the end of this was there any

3449
02:18:51,530 --> 02:18:48,750
requests in the part of Bigelow or his

3450
02:18:54,470 --> 02:18:51,540
people for you not to disclose the

3451
02:18:57,440 --> 02:18:54,480
information you gave to them never ok

3452
02:18:59,120 --> 02:18:57,450
never Chris there were rumblings at the

3453
02:19:01,220 --> 02:18:59,130
time when the whole thing kind of fell

3454
02:19:03,410 --> 02:19:01,230
apart that perhaps big law had been

3455
02:19:04,940 --> 02:19:03,420
cherry-picking cases and leaving MUFON

3456
02:19:08,060 --> 02:19:04,950
out of the loop did that happen

3457
02:19:09,980 --> 02:19:08,070
never no because we got the cases first

3458
02:19:12,770 --> 02:19:09,990
and then we would review them on a

3459
02:19:14,120 --> 02:19:12,780
weekly basis I believe with Bigelow

3460
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:14,130
might have been a daily basis but it was

3461
02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:16,170
not with when we say Bigelow we didn't

3462
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:19,170
do with him he had a cold Kelleher who

3463
02:19:25,220 --> 02:19:22,050
you know from knids had been hired back

3464
02:19:26,839 --> 02:19:25,230
by him to run bath and they had a staff

3465
02:19:28,820 --> 02:19:26,849
of people I don't recall the names right

3466
02:19:31,820 --> 02:19:28,830
now who would be on the phone with our

3467
02:19:33,049 --> 02:19:31,830
star team manager almost daily going

3468
02:19:36,740 --> 02:19:33,059
through the cases from the day before

3469
02:19:39,560 --> 02:19:36,750
and and reviewing them so no there's no

3470
02:19:42,020 --> 02:19:39,570
case of them well the fact that the

3471
02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:42,030
Bigelow Aerospace is now the number that

3472
02:19:47,660 --> 02:19:45,330
UFO reports into the FAA they're given

3473
02:19:51,261 --> 02:19:47,670
the big low aerospace number for them to

3474
02:19:52,670 --> 02:19:51,271
to report their sighting I would think

3475
02:19:55,820 --> 02:19:52,680
it would make sense for them to be going

3476
02:19:57,620 --> 02:19:55,830
to you had did you ever enter in any

3477
02:19:59,780 --> 02:19:57,630
conversations with Bigelow about being

3478
02:20:01,940 --> 02:19:59,790
part of that particular process of

3479
02:20:03,620 --> 02:20:01,950
fielding reports of the FAA yeah

3480
02:20:05,360 --> 02:20:03,630
actually I talked to Cole Kelleher about

3481
02:20:07,761 --> 02:20:05,370
that one that came out as a news release

3482
02:20:09,320 --> 02:20:07,771
a few years back and there really is no

3483
02:20:10,520 --> 02:20:09,330
agreement with the FAA what happened was

3484
02:20:11,810 --> 02:20:10,530
they just basically call them up and

3485
02:20:13,550 --> 02:20:11,820
given their number and so we've done the

3486
02:20:15,560 --> 02:20:13,560
same thing we will of a police

3487
02:20:17,420 --> 02:20:15,570
departments fire departments FAA and

3488
02:20:19,220 --> 02:20:17,430
different different places where reports

3489
02:20:21,050 --> 02:20:19,230
come in we basically provide our

3490
02:20:23,240 --> 02:20:21,060
information on our contact saying if you

3491
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:23,250
get these kind of reports and you can

3492
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:24,810
refer them to us because that's what we

3493
02:20:27,740 --> 02:20:26,130
do and they've actually do appreciate

3494
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:27,750
that because they don't really have the

3495
02:20:31,400 --> 02:20:30,000
wherewithal to collect UFO reports I

3496
02:20:33,530 --> 02:20:31,410
mean you know the police department is

3497
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:33,540
there to stop crimes and if they're not

3498
02:20:37,880 --> 02:20:36,090
you know jaywalking or speeding down the

3499
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:37,890
street in our UFO there's really nothing

3500
02:20:41,630 --> 02:20:39,810
for them to do you know same thing with

3501
02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:41,640
the FAA they're really trying to manage

3502
02:20:46,340 --> 02:20:43,050
the traffic patterns and help the

3503
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:46,350
airliners in the world and they're not

3504
02:20:50,030 --> 02:20:48,240
there to be a UFO collection agency so

3505
02:20:51,380 --> 02:20:50,040
they appreciate that so I think that

3506
02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:51,390
wouldn't kind of got a lot more press

3507
02:20:54,440 --> 02:20:53,280
and it really should have it was there's

3508
02:20:56,630 --> 02:20:54,450
a very simple thing they just basically

3509
02:20:57,710 --> 02:20:56,640
gave him her name and number and I think

3510
02:20:59,930 --> 02:20:57,720
they may have put out a press for

3511
02:21:01,280 --> 02:20:59,940
somebody prepare a press release saying

3512
02:21:03,230 --> 02:21:01,290
that they were the place to go to but

3513
02:21:05,870 --> 02:21:03,240
the truth is the fa a-- can report to

3514
02:21:08,450 --> 02:21:05,880
anybody they want right okay so there is

3515
02:21:10,761 --> 02:21:08,460
no no official thing it's just it's just

3516
02:21:13,880 --> 02:21:10,771
an easier path of resistance the least

3517
02:21:15,380 --> 02:21:13,890
resistance of the FAA to have somebody

3518
02:21:17,511 --> 02:21:15,390
else take the call basically you're

3519
02:21:19,070 --> 02:21:17,521
right exactly well one thing that I want

3520
02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:19,080
to get in here before we get too far

3521
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:20,410
down the road because we are we are

3522
02:21:24,660 --> 02:21:21,610
toward the end of the show and that is

3523
02:21:28,200 --> 02:21:24,670
to acknowledge you Jan Anton's County

3524
02:21:30,210 --> 02:21:28,210
MUFON for being excited about the vision

3525
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:30,220
that that Wayne Holland Beckham myself

3526
02:21:34,470 --> 02:21:31,840
had for the San Luis Valley camera

3527
02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:34,480
project and for actually helping us with

3528
02:21:39,180 --> 02:21:36,250
some seed money to get the project up

3529
02:21:41,580 --> 02:21:39,190
and get some gear bought and I'm happy

3530
02:21:43,350 --> 02:21:41,590
to report that were we're about ready to

3531
02:21:44,490 --> 02:21:43,360
put a second and third camera up and we

3532
02:21:46,350 --> 02:21:44,500
couldn't have done it without you Jan

3533
02:21:48,540 --> 02:21:46,360
and that's the kind of hard data

3534
02:21:52,051 --> 02:21:48,550
research I think mu phonics could could

3535
02:21:54,091 --> 02:21:52,061
excel at and now that we've gotten kind

3536
02:21:56,341 --> 02:21:54,101
of the spikier stuff out of the way

3537
02:21:57,690 --> 02:21:56,351
here's here's a fun one for you what do

3538
02:22:00,631 --> 02:21:57,700
you think is the strongest their best

3539
02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:00,641
UFO case that you know about and this is

3540
02:22:06,660 --> 02:22:03,610
another question from our poster hand be

3541
02:22:08,670 --> 02:22:06,670
all time or what's your personal

3542
02:22:12,240 --> 02:22:08,680
favorite what which which one really set

3543
02:22:14,250 --> 02:22:12,250
set your set your wheels turning well

3544
02:22:16,560 --> 02:22:14,260
honestly the the one that set my wheels

3545
02:22:19,381 --> 02:22:16,570
turning was the Travis Walton case I

3546
02:22:22,680 --> 02:22:19,391
mean here's guy with you know seven of

3547
02:22:24,900 --> 02:22:22,690
his workers friends everybody's see this

3548
02:22:26,190 --> 02:22:24,910
what they thought was a forest fire off

3549
02:22:28,290 --> 02:22:26,200
in the distance and drove over to see it

3550
02:22:29,700 --> 02:22:28,300
turned out to be a craft for a reason he

3551
02:22:31,560 --> 02:22:29,710
jumped out on the truck and ran towards

3552
02:22:34,110 --> 02:22:31,570
it got hit by a beam and knocked

3553
02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:34,120
unconscious his buddies ran away and

3554
02:22:40,261 --> 02:22:37,090
came back five days later he shows back

3555
02:22:41,881 --> 02:22:40,271
up and then the worse for wear and it is

3556
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:41,891
a phenomenal story about being on board

3557
02:22:44,910 --> 02:22:43,210
this craft and what happened to him I'm

3558
02:22:46,620 --> 02:22:44,920
just I'm just blown away by it and you

3559
02:22:48,420 --> 02:22:46,630
know he's passed a lie-detector tests

3560
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:48,430
and everything else and boy if you can't

3561
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:49,930
if he can't be a believer after hearing

3562
02:22:53,970 --> 02:22:51,610
that story I don't know what would make

3563
02:22:55,560 --> 02:22:53,980
you a believer in this subject well

3564
02:22:59,341 --> 02:22:55,570
especially when you meet Travis and

3565
02:23:01,440 --> 02:22:59,351
speak with them in such a college four

3566
02:23:03,091 --> 02:23:01,450
years we have to loosen that guy up and

3567
02:23:04,740 --> 02:23:03,101
have them come on the power cast soon I

3568
02:23:06,780 --> 02:23:04,750
know you and I have talked to him

3569
02:23:11,881 --> 02:23:06,790
several times he says I'm gonna do it

3570
02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:11,891
I'm gonna do it who doesn't want to come

3571
02:23:16,430 --> 02:23:13,210
on the power cast and will probably

3572
02:23:18,301 --> 02:23:16,440
never come on the power cast you know

3573
02:23:20,190 --> 02:23:18,311
Travis would get an interesting

3574
02:23:22,620 --> 02:23:20,200
reception here yeah oh yeah he's

3575
02:23:25,320 --> 02:23:22,630
historian best and I agree Jen that is

3576
02:23:26,670 --> 02:23:25,330
that is a very very intriguing kay

3577
02:23:27,990 --> 02:23:26,680
specially if you look at some of the

3578
02:23:30,750 --> 02:23:28,000
stuff that was going on in the area

3579
02:23:32,230 --> 02:23:30,760
which incidentally is just down down the

3580
02:23:34,930 --> 02:23:32,240
Mogollon Rim from where I

3581
02:23:37,450 --> 02:23:34,940
I'm about 40 50 miles away from there a

3582
02:23:41,230 --> 02:23:37,460
lot of very interesting events that went

3583
02:23:43,961 --> 02:23:41,240
on the fall of 75 and 76 in the area

3584
02:23:47,530 --> 02:23:43,971
I think the attended phenomenon aspect

3585
02:23:49,900 --> 02:23:47,540
of ufology is one that needs to be

3586
02:23:51,850 --> 02:23:49,910
reconciled I think by groups like MUFON

3587
02:23:53,921 --> 02:23:51,860
you know when your investigators go out

3588
02:23:55,780 --> 02:23:53,931
and investigate a really good site E and

3589
02:23:58,240 --> 02:23:55,790
then they find out that there's cattle

3590
02:24:01,600 --> 02:23:58,250
mutilations Bigfoot reports strange

3591
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:01,610
appearing crypto creatures and that sort

3592
02:24:06,820 --> 02:24:04,160
of thing I think that all this should

3593
02:24:09,011 --> 02:24:06,830
kind of come into play I think there is

3594
02:24:11,830 --> 02:24:09,021
some sort of interconnectedness and

3595
02:24:13,360 --> 02:24:11,840
speaking of that la MUFON is all of a

3596
02:24:15,220 --> 02:24:13,370
sudden jump ship and they want to become

3597
02:24:16,390 --> 02:24:15,230
more of a paranormal group now what can

3598
02:24:18,430 --> 02:24:16,400
you give us a little insight on that

3599
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3600
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potential reverse disease call me dr. Z

3708
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to zero one nine four five one one seven

3709
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seven two zero one nine four five one

3710
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one seven seven Evol yourself calm Jan

3711
02:29:00,590 --> 02:28:59,010
horizon's' the new director of MUFON and

3712
02:29:02,390 --> 02:29:00,600
he sounds like a keeper you know I'm

3713
02:29:05,090 --> 02:29:02,400
leaving that agree with everything he

3714
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says but he's really a solid guy there

3715
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and glad to meet you Jan

3716
02:29:12,530 --> 02:29:10,380
they have we're gonna continue with our

3717
02:29:15,740 --> 02:29:12,540
final segment of the power cast Chris

3718
02:29:17,630 --> 02:29:15,750
asked kind of a big question that

3719
02:29:21,170 --> 02:29:17,640
requires a much longer answer than we

3720
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:21,180
can spend here but Jan will try to be

3721
02:29:24,890 --> 02:29:22,370
brief

3722
02:29:27,650 --> 02:29:24,900
absolutely so yeah I think the whole

3723
02:29:29,690 --> 02:29:27,660
this is a real dialogue going on within

3724
02:29:31,790 --> 02:29:29,700
MUFON and at the board level all the way

3725
02:29:33,770 --> 02:29:31,800
down today and that is you know where

3726
02:29:36,680 --> 02:29:33,780
words move on staying with regard to the

3727
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:36,690
paranormal and obviously you know

3728
02:29:40,460 --> 02:29:38,250
paranormal just means it's something out

3729
02:29:44,210 --> 02:29:40,470
of the ordinary the UFOs definitely

3730
02:29:46,219 --> 02:29:44,220
fault could have that label attached to

3731
02:29:48,469 --> 02:29:46,229
them as being paranormal but you know

3732
02:29:49,940 --> 02:29:48,479
we're planning to focus on UFOs I mean

3733
02:29:52,400 --> 02:29:49,950
that's what we really want to focus on

3734
02:29:54,050 --> 02:29:52,410
now is part of a UFO study there's a

3735
02:29:55,790 --> 02:29:54,060
Bigfoot associated with it and there

3736
02:29:57,500 --> 02:29:55,800
have been sightings where craft has been

3737
02:30:00,110 --> 02:29:57,510
seen and that Bigfoot has been seen in

3738
02:30:01,969 --> 02:30:00,120
the same vicinity that's fine and we

3739
02:30:04,460 --> 02:30:01,979
have a problem that I've had cases I had

3740
02:30:06,740 --> 02:30:04,470
personally investigated one by a police

3741
02:30:09,560 --> 02:30:06,750
officer which was an angel case you know

3742
02:30:12,560 --> 02:30:09,570
where he was and he was riding his bike

3743
02:30:13,881 --> 02:30:12,570
down a place and also in reality chain

3744
02:30:15,770 --> 02:30:13,891
sharanam and there was an angel talking

3745
02:30:17,421 --> 02:30:15,780
to them you know so it's not like we

3746
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:17,431
spurned those types of reports that

3747
02:30:21,740 --> 02:30:19,290
people want to report it to us but our

3748
02:30:25,430 --> 02:30:21,750
primary focus really is on UFOs and

3749
02:30:27,470 --> 02:30:25,440
craft and potential entities or beings

3750
02:30:30,410 --> 02:30:27,480
that might be associated with that so

3751
02:30:32,660 --> 02:30:30,420
that is what we would like are we that's

3752
02:30:34,881 --> 02:30:32,670
what we are doing in terms of collecting

3753
02:30:37,220 --> 02:30:34,891
data that doesn't mean there's another

3754
02:30:38,870 --> 02:30:37,230
data in our files on ghosts or anything

3755
02:30:41,301 --> 02:30:38,880
else but but that's not our primary

3756
02:30:42,770 --> 02:30:41,311
focus do you consider that there's a

3757
02:30:45,501 --> 02:30:42,780
possibility that maybe there's a

3758
02:30:47,751 --> 02:30:45,511
relationship amongst all these things

3759
02:30:49,940 --> 02:30:47,761
there so you have UFOs and then there's

3760
02:30:52,190 --> 02:30:49,950
Bigfoot another phenomena around it

3761
02:30:55,640 --> 02:30:52,200
maybe there is a connection that ought

3762
02:30:57,560 --> 02:30:55,650
to be explored well I think I think well

3763
02:31:00,200 --> 02:30:57,570
I don't know but I mean I think there is

3764
02:31:02,001 --> 02:31:00,210
a connection the connection in my mind

3765
02:31:03,560 --> 02:31:02,011
is probably something along the lines of

3766
02:31:05,870 --> 02:31:03,570
this interdimensional type of aspect

3767
02:31:07,940 --> 02:31:05,880
which means that we probably don't live

3768
02:31:11,030 --> 02:31:07,950
in a 3 or 4 dimensional universe which

3769
02:31:13,100 --> 02:31:11,040
is what we experience daily if you read

3770
02:31:15,470 --> 02:31:13,110
machiya kaku's book you know the 10

3771
02:31:17,091 --> 02:31:15,480
dimensional universally fascinate the

3772
02:31:20,270 --> 02:31:17,101
title of his book these get written many

3773
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:20,280
many books on subject to this he talks

3774
02:31:24,291 --> 02:31:22,290
about the fact that you know the

3775
02:31:26,631 --> 02:31:24,301
universe is made up of at least 10

3776
02:31:28,580 --> 02:31:26,641
dimensions and as you get into the

3777
02:31:30,680 --> 02:31:28,590
higher dimensions the stranger it looks

3778
02:31:33,320 --> 02:31:30,690
to us so the book that was written years

3779
02:31:34,730 --> 02:31:33,330
ago flatland we're sorry about beings

3780
02:31:36,530 --> 02:31:34,740
who lived in a two-dimensional world

3781
02:31:39,530 --> 02:31:36,540
what a three-dimensional world might

3782
02:31:41,541 --> 02:31:39,540
look to him like and if you pass a cone

3783
02:31:43,341 --> 02:31:41,551
through a flat surface which is the

3784
02:31:45,440 --> 02:31:43,351
two-dimensional world what would see is

3785
02:31:47,810 --> 02:31:45,450
first as a dot and then they'd see that

3786
02:31:48,980 --> 02:31:47,820
the dot get bigger into a circle and the

3787
02:31:52,041 --> 02:31:48,990
circle get larger and larger and larger

3788
02:31:53,360 --> 02:31:52,051
until finally it just disappeared it

3789
02:31:55,041 --> 02:31:53,370
would look very very strange to them

3790
02:31:56,660 --> 02:31:55,051
because they're they're Flatlanders and

3791
02:31:58,310 --> 02:31:56,670
very similar to us if we're in a

3792
02:31:59,841 --> 02:31:58,320
three-dimensional world and all of a

3793
02:32:02,150 --> 02:31:59,851
sudden a fourth dimensional being or a

3794
02:32:04,370 --> 02:32:02,160
fifth dimensional being or craft moves

3795
02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:04,380
through our three dimensions third

3796
02:32:07,430 --> 02:32:06,090
dimension it's going to look very very

3797
02:32:09,350 --> 02:32:07,440
strange to us it's going to do strange

3798
02:32:11,541 --> 02:32:09,360
things and that's exactly what these

3799
02:32:13,910 --> 02:32:11,551
crafts exhibit is very very strange

3800
02:32:16,610 --> 02:32:13,920
things similarly I mean it's possible

3801
02:32:18,591 --> 02:32:16,620
that these creatures Bigfoot or it might

3802
02:32:20,570 --> 02:32:18,601
be higher dimensional beings that come

3803
02:32:22,011 --> 02:32:20,580
in and out of our reality I really don't

3804
02:32:23,390 --> 02:32:22,021
know I mean I have no idea I mean we're

3805
02:32:25,190 --> 02:32:23,400
not a Bigfoot research organization

3806
02:32:26,179 --> 02:32:25,200
there are Bigfoot research organizations

3807
02:32:28,670 --> 02:32:26,189
and where's

3808
02:32:31,239 --> 02:32:28,680
really happy to work with them if we

3809
02:32:33,199 --> 02:32:31,249
need to or ghost people who do ghosts

3810
02:32:35,719 --> 02:32:33,209
studies and things like that but it

3811
02:32:38,210 --> 02:32:35,729
seems to me that it's probably all using

3812
02:32:40,760 --> 02:32:38,220
the same physics of some kind of higher

3813
02:32:41,809 --> 02:32:40,770
dimensionality and and someday we'll

3814
02:32:43,370 --> 02:32:41,819
understand it and then it'll all make

3815
02:32:45,529 --> 02:32:43,380
perfect sense to us but right now it's

3816
02:32:46,130 --> 02:32:45,539
just pretty strange which is why we call

3817
02:32:48,889 --> 02:32:46,140
it paranormal

3818
02:32:52,960 --> 02:32:48,899
okay so MUFON has been around since what

3819
02:32:55,160 --> 02:32:52,970
the late 1960s yep okay right and

3820
02:32:57,699 --> 02:32:55,170
survived but I don't want to get into

3821
02:33:00,290 --> 02:32:57,709
that because nobody is as old as I am

3822
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:00,300
okay do you think you've made much

3823
02:33:03,859 --> 02:33:02,010
progress do you think we've gotten

3824
02:33:05,689 --> 02:33:03,869
anywhere in the UFO field it seems that

3825
02:33:08,120 --> 02:33:05,699
we're talking about the same things now

3826
02:33:10,699 --> 02:33:08,130
that we talked about in the 60s 70s 80s

3827
02:33:12,889 --> 02:33:10,709
and 90s etc well I think when we've made

3828
02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:12,899
progress is number one we have a

3829
02:33:18,439 --> 02:33:16,170
structure and we have a process back in

3830
02:33:19,580 --> 02:33:18,449
the 60s and 70s although we had sighting

3831
02:33:21,559 --> 02:33:19,590
reports and things like that they were

3832
02:33:23,840 --> 02:33:21,569
going into brown paper boxes and going

3833
02:33:26,319 --> 02:33:23,850
into Walt's garage and being stacked up

3834
02:33:28,460 --> 02:33:26,329
they weren't accessible today

3835
02:33:31,819 --> 02:33:28,470
information is going into the computer

3836
02:33:33,739 --> 02:33:31,829
it's you know a relational database it's

3837
02:33:35,630 --> 02:33:33,749
all accessible it can be studied well we

3838
02:33:38,989 --> 02:33:35,640
really need to move this to is taking

3839
02:33:40,399 --> 02:33:38,999
the data and doing analytics on it and

3840
02:33:43,099 --> 02:33:40,409
trying to understand what the data is

3841
02:33:44,660 --> 02:33:43,109
telling us we also need to take what we

3842
02:33:47,779 --> 02:33:44,670
know to be true from the comments have

3843
02:33:51,380 --> 02:33:47,789
been rich and others and get scientists

3844
02:33:53,179 --> 02:33:51,390
real scientists and ok real scientists I

3845
02:33:55,519 --> 02:33:53,189
mean basically people who have an

3846
02:33:57,739 --> 02:33:55,529
interest in physics and these things and

3847
02:34:00,199 --> 02:33:57,749
get them working on it trying to figure

3848
02:34:02,750 --> 02:34:00,209
out you know how it all works and and

3849
02:34:04,670 --> 02:34:02,760
make it available to all of us

3850
02:34:06,260 --> 02:34:04,680
so it can improve our lives and improve

3851
02:34:08,719 --> 02:34:06,270
life on this planet for everybody I

3852
02:34:10,250 --> 02:34:08,729
think there's great progress going to be

3853
02:34:12,469 --> 02:34:10,260
made here in the next 10 to 20 years

3854
02:34:15,590 --> 02:34:12,479
that we've never seen before here's one

3855
02:34:18,859 --> 02:34:15,600
example I mean with with all of these

3856
02:34:20,840 --> 02:34:18,869
space companies out there today very

3857
02:34:23,630 --> 02:34:20,850
shortly in the next ten years we're

3858
02:34:25,519 --> 02:34:23,640
going to have civilians walking on the

3859
02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:25,529
moon maybe 20 years it might be 20 years

3860
02:34:30,050 --> 02:34:28,890
but at least in space orbit right I mean

3861
02:34:31,729 --> 02:34:30,060
you've got all these companies that are

3862
02:34:33,380 --> 02:34:31,739
building crafts to take you up and give

3863
02:34:36,319 --> 02:34:33,390
you the ride of your life or the

3864
02:34:38,870 --> 02:34:36,329
vacation of your life in orbit or even

3865
02:34:39,530 --> 02:34:38,880
on the surface of the Moon or Mars well

3866
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:39,540
it's

3867
02:34:48,020 --> 02:34:43,290
are truly structures on these planets

3868
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:48,030
and bodies like the moon I would think

3869
02:34:52,130 --> 02:34:50,010
you might see them if you were up there

3870
02:34:53,360 --> 02:34:52,140
taking your vacation it would be very

3871
02:34:55,790 --> 02:34:53,370
hard for someone to say this doesn't

3872
02:34:58,160 --> 02:34:55,800
exist I'm not saying that it does exist

3873
02:35:01,820 --> 02:34:58,170
I'm just saying you know now if it won't

3874
02:35:03,800 --> 02:35:01,830
be us depending on the government or our

3875
02:35:06,020 --> 02:35:03,810
satellite programs to tell us what's

3876
02:35:07,250 --> 02:35:06,030
there and the imagery from it I mean

3877
02:35:10,310 --> 02:35:07,260
look at all the controversy over the

3878
02:35:13,550 --> 02:35:10,320
face on Mars alright okay so stay with

3879
02:35:15,500 --> 02:35:13,560
me now let's bear this in mind so we

3880
02:35:17,810 --> 02:35:15,510
don't expect that maybe will be

3881
02:35:19,460 --> 02:35:17,820
vindicating someone like a richard

3882
02:35:20,900 --> 02:35:19,470
hoagland as a result of this but at

3883
02:35:23,720 --> 02:35:20,910
least more and more people will have a

3884
02:35:26,900 --> 02:35:23,730
chance to see this and there won't be

3885
02:35:30,020 --> 02:35:26,910
the wall of security behind the military

3886
02:35:32,360 --> 02:35:30,030
travels if civilians go there they can't

3887
02:35:34,250 --> 02:35:32,370
stop what's being reported well I just

3888
02:35:35,810 --> 02:35:34,260
think it'll put a lot of this to bed I

3889
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:35,820
mean you know it'll be true or won't be

3890
02:35:39,110 --> 02:35:37,290
true I mean it's either there it's not

3891
02:35:41,330 --> 02:35:39,120
there but I mean we'll be able to

3892
02:35:42,710 --> 02:35:41,340
experience it firsthand as opposed to

3893
02:35:45,170 --> 02:35:42,720
have someone telling us about it that's

3894
02:35:47,480 --> 02:35:45,180
that's my whole point and I mean I think

3895
02:35:47,780 --> 02:35:47,490
that's where you know you're talking

3896
02:35:49,430 --> 02:35:47,790
about

3897
02:35:51,500 --> 02:35:49,440
we haven't progressed very far well

3898
02:35:53,180 --> 02:35:51,510
maybe we haven't progressed very far as

3899
02:35:55,190 --> 02:35:53,190
terms of figuring out what exactly these

3900
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:55,200
UFOs are and how they work but we're

3901
02:35:59,870 --> 02:35:56,880
getting a lot closer today than we were

3902
02:36:01,910 --> 02:35:59,880
40 50 years ago in one respect and we

3903
02:36:03,350 --> 02:36:01,920
only have two minutes left so this is

3904
02:36:06,110 --> 02:36:03,360
going to have to be the fastest answer

3905
02:36:07,761 --> 02:36:06,120
of the ages for you well in the respect

3906
02:36:09,830 --> 02:36:07,771
that we know that there's people who are

3907
02:36:12,980 --> 02:36:09,840
in the know who told us that they exist

3908
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:12,990
and that you know kind of how in essence

3909
02:36:17,570 --> 02:36:15,600
and how it works and now it's just

3910
02:36:22,190 --> 02:36:17,580
really up to us to to put that to work

3911
02:36:23,960 --> 02:36:22,200
and make it happen I'm very positive

3912
02:36:27,230 --> 02:36:23,970
that we're gonna make great strides here

3913
02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:27,240
in the next 10 to 15 years well for

3914
02:36:32,180 --> 02:36:30,090
around 10 or 15 years from now we can

3915
02:36:35,240 --> 02:36:32,190
all get together in a little room and we

3916
02:36:37,761 --> 02:36:35,250
can talk about it and see what solutions

3917
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:37,771
we come up with very fascinating we have

3918
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:39,690
a minute or two left would you Jan

3919
02:36:44,390 --> 02:36:42,090
horizontal our listeners who haven't

3920
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:44,400
considered becoming a member of MUFON

3921
02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:46,650
and I am a card-carrying member of MUFON

3922
02:36:50,840 --> 02:36:49,290
by the way well let you know that right

3923
02:36:53,290 --> 02:36:50,850
he's sending me a bill

3924
02:36:55,700 --> 02:36:53,300
tell our listeners more about it

3925
02:36:58,099 --> 02:36:55,710
absolutely well move on to the mutual

3926
02:37:00,200 --> 02:36:58,109
UFO network I mean was founded in May of

3927
02:37:02,870 --> 02:37:00,210
1969 and our whole mission and purpose

3928
02:37:04,490 --> 02:37:02,880
has been the scientific study of the UFO

3929
02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:04,500
phenomenon so if this is something that

3930
02:37:10,160 --> 02:37:07,290
interests you I would encourage you to

3931
02:37:12,349 --> 02:37:10,170
come join MUFON memberships are as

3932
02:37:16,460 --> 02:37:12,359
little as $35 a year if you're a senior

3933
02:37:19,219 --> 02:37:16,470
I think there's $30 to be a subscriber

3934
02:37:20,870 --> 02:37:19,229
of our electronic journal which is

3935
02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:20,880
published every month we put in it all

3936
02:37:25,849 --> 02:37:22,890
the latest sighting reports and things

3937
02:37:28,309 --> 02:37:25,859
that have been vetted along with number

3938
02:37:31,280 --> 02:37:28,319
of different feature articles on the UFO

3939
02:37:34,040 --> 02:37:31,290
field if you can even support more you

3940
02:37:35,870 --> 02:37:34,050
can certainly become a donor and work at

3941
02:37:37,880 --> 02:37:35,880
higher levels we have a benefactor level

3942
02:37:40,219 --> 02:37:37,890
which is $1,500 which allows you to be a

3943
02:37:43,300 --> 02:37:40,229
lifetime member but all of this goes

3944
02:37:46,639 --> 02:37:43,310
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3945
02:37:48,740 --> 02:37:46,649
helping us maintain our website and our

3946
02:37:49,700 --> 02:37:48,750
case management system which is what all

3947
02:37:52,670 --> 02:37:49,710
the sighting reporting

3948
02:37:54,380 --> 02:37:52,680
go through helps us build research

3949
02:37:55,790 --> 02:37:54,390
projects that we can hopefully get

3950
02:37:58,309 --> 02:37:55,800
answers to some of these questions we've

3951
02:37:59,870 --> 02:37:58,319
been talking about today on the show so

3952
02:38:03,679 --> 02:37:59,880
I would strongly encourage you to go to

3953
02:38:06,170 --> 02:38:03,689
MUFON comm and join today and I'd be

3954
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:06,180
happy to talk to you or answer any

3955
02:38:10,070 --> 02:38:08,250
questions you have but we need all the

3956
02:38:10,969 --> 02:38:10,080
support it's really the public that

3957
02:38:12,530 --> 02:38:10,979
makes this happen

3958
02:38:14,420 --> 02:38:12,540
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3959
02:38:15,530 --> 02:38:14,430
you who are members today and each and

3960
02:38:18,260 --> 02:38:15,540
every one of you who will become a

3961
02:38:20,389 --> 02:38:18,270
member very soon MUFON comm will have a

3962
02:38:22,760 --> 02:38:20,399
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3963
02:38:25,099 --> 02:38:22,770
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3964
02:38:28,130 --> 02:38:25,109
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3965
02:38:30,080 --> 02:38:28,140
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3966
02:38:32,990 --> 02:38:30,090
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3967
02:38:35,929 --> 02:38:33,000
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3968
02:38:37,880 --> 02:38:35,939
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3969
02:38:40,460 --> 02:38:37,890
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3970
02:38:43,219 --> 02:38:40,470
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3971
02:38:44,780 --> 02:38:43,229
Harz and director of MUFON thank you so

3972
02:38:46,550 --> 02:38:44,790
much for joining us this week I'm the

3973
02:38:49,310 --> 02:38:46,560
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3974
02:38:49,320 --> 02:38:56,211
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3975
02:39:02,240 --> 02:38:59,360
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3976
02:39:05,230 --> 02:39:02,250
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3977
02:39:08,961 --> 02:39:05,240
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